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Actually, I may be wrong about the +200 magic accuracy bonus on breaths, because I can't find it. However, they are using dINT as part of the formula: github/DarkstarProject/darkstar/blob/master/scripts/globals/monstertpmoves.luaDarkstar Issue L483
That would explain why I resisted every breath on my NIN in my nuke set. That... doesn't seem right.
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well like stated before, NIN has access to a number of +ele resists sets which would help against breath damage or other elemental attacks. Getting above 250+ would mean you were actively resisting a significant portion of the attacks. I am arguing it doesnt resist as much as it should
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If you can provide some documentation on the expected resist rates. I can tweak the equation.
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BG forum talking on fire resists= https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/55795-Fire-resist-or-magic-damage -essentially starts derailing but states 250+ or even breaking 300 is close to getting 0 dmg a considerable number of times from wyrms elemental attacks.
http://rukenshin.livejournal.com/?skip=12 -under "barfira owns tiamat" rukenshin blogs bout having a fire resist set saying 95%+ of fire attacks he resisted from tiamat
ffxi alla forum post: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=118485558530974161&h=50 "When Tiamat is flying in the air, bard carol with crumhorn, and whm barspell is NOT enough, not even close. You need to get into the 270-290 total range to start resisting its attacks. With say about 130-150 in gear, which I understand is not the easiest to obtain, those 260-270 fire shots get reduced to 30 almost full time. To show that there is a tier, at around 240-250ish fire resistance, you rarely resist any attack and take the full 260-270ish damage. " https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/74070-Question-about-Elemental-Resists-on-gear -talks on tiers on elemental resists
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trying to get at is once this issue with elemental attacks from wyrms and other hnms is fixed will open up the game to other possible tanks as was the case in retail with nin/drk, nin/brd, rdm, etc. and not just depending on a paladin to have high innate HP and vitality + aegis to just eat full dmg breath + ele attacks.
Also to add to this, not to derail but the allakahazam thread talks about moves like gates of hades which gives burn can be fully resisted with elemental setup which would make sense. This also opens up a new pathway for bards to actually give a damn about carols or whms meriting bar spells
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Well the aerial attacks are being resisted most of the time at the 270 total resist range, and it doesn't look like breath attacks have a different accuracy calculation so... I haven't been hit by a breath from Tiamat in a very long time so I don't know how the resist rate is at that amount.
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It's also calculated for all attacks which are based on elemental magic: i.e wyrm breath, gates of hades for Cerberus, etc. opening up elemental resistance to work brings in more aspects to the current game than possible. As the forums presented state as long as you're properly equipped for the correct elemental attack
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Thanks whb07, I'll tweak it this weekend.
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The aspect of Wyrm breath where they do considerably less when standing on paws does not currently function on DSP.
angle = mob:getRotPos() - angle;
dmgmod = dmgmod * ((30-math.abs(angle))/30);
dmgmod = utils.clamp(dmgmod, 350, 1800);This provides a much more realistic emulation of their damage.
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is that code supposed to be independent? or are you adding it on somewhere?
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The aspect of Wyrm breath where they do considerably less when standing on paws does not currently function on DSP.
angle = mob:getRotPos() - angle; dmgmod = dmgmod * ((30-math.abs(angle))/30); dmgmod = utils.clamp(dmgmod, 350, 1800);
This provides a much more realistic emulation of their damage.
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teschnei
Sorry for the late response on this. The code I posted is similar looking to the code which can be found in each wyrm breath mobskill lua currently--Firey Breath, Dragon Breath, etc.
The difference being the angle math it's doing (which I do not understand) but guess and check shows these modified angle values to be the correct ones.
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ah, yes - the angle value (prev. 128) is in either direction, so 128 meant it only went to 0 when standing directly behind (which is of course pretty wrong)
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Sorry for the late response on this. The code I posted is similar looking to the code which can be found in each wyrm breath mobskill lua currently--Firey Breath, Dragon Breath, etc.
The difference being the angle math it's doing (which I do not understand) but guess and check shows these modified angle values to be the correct ones.
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As a "fix" for this, I capped the damage done by breath attacks. This is not correct by any means and it is a really shitty way to handle it but at least the wyrms aren't one shotting fire resist PLDs in the meantime:
Go to the breath attacks in scripts\globals\mobskills\NAMEOFBREATHATTACK.lua
Look for this line: dmgmod = utils.clamp(dmgmod, 50, 1600);
Change the last set of numbers (in this case 1600) to whatever you want the max damage to be.
I personally changed it to 600.
As for the breath radius, I just told people to stand on the wyrms side instead of at it's feet like retail. Not sure if this still works after the mob facing fix.
Looked into the issue of breath damage not properly being resisted- Taking breath damage from fafnir he is still doing upwards of 1k damage to a setup of 268+ fire ele resistance on my WAR. Granted there are some times where I do resist, but its few and far between. I have seen some old forum threads on BG and others where they talk about getting above 200+ ele getting resists was very common, including pictures of a NIN tank taking as little as low 50s dmg on breath attack consistently. Resistance rate needs to be upped in order to open up more jobs and make the elemental resistances worthwhile to bring to HNMs and the like. Thats how other tanks were possible to tank hnms rather than just throwing a paladin at it.
Edit: forgot link, this was an issue 3 years ago and supposedly fixed breath attacks. github/DarkstarProject/darkstar/commit/3f165eb6519863b1afd2d1aa5c0bcda5191dc305