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Colorado PAL #151

Closed zacharyrpope closed 5 years ago

zacharyrpope commented 6 years ago

Check out the Frying Pan out of Basalt, CO. Again, only using this as an example to hopefully uncover the datasets that would apply to the rest of the state. I've been there within the last 6 months and there is some missing public land/access between Basalt and the reservoir. Check out this old map that suggests where is public/private by CPW. Haven't looking into parcel info but probably some new PAL to add in here.

https://cpw.state.co.us/thingstodo/Fishery%20Survey%20Summaries/FryingpanRiver.pdf

andest01 commented 6 years ago

@zacharyrpope I'd be curious if this shows up in PADUS. I'll go and check. localhost:3000/co/grand-junction

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andest01 commented 6 years ago

@zacharyrpope after reviewing PADUS, I suspect the area you're referring to is in GREEN. Please confirm.

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Looks like there's a lot of good stuff in Colorado's "CPW Public Access Properties" shapefile. https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=b1b27dc4bde744e490e0d1a9f9512032

However, it looks like there's a lot of properties that may not be open for fishing - specifically hunting only.

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Furthermore, some of these areas are not held whatsoever in the most recent PADUS data set. Note the splotches of blue, where there only should be BLACK or RED. This is mildly disconcerting. image

In order to proceed with Colorado, I'll have to learn what the following items mean in the context of Colorado:

Remember, the raison d'etre for the app is

Help anglers make safe and legal choices when fishing for trout.

Because of this, I am much more permissive of false negatives (public being mislabeled private) than the horrible situation of the false positive (getting shot).

@zacharyrpope please confirm that we're at least on the right track with the public land on the Frying Pan. If so, then I'll move forward on improving Colorado, which is an extremely high-value target because of water access rights.

zacharyrpope commented 6 years ago

@andest01 It looks like you're screenshots have it covered perfectly. There are specific pull-outs not far up-stream from Basalt that I had in mind. These are places that I have fished and have been given recommendations from local guides, definitely public in these particular areas. Just wanted you to be aware of it in case it uncovered new datasets to consider. Nice work!

andest01 commented 5 years ago

https://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/RulesRegs/Brochure/lands.pdf

SWA: State Wildlife Area

https://web.archive.org/web/20140110084832/http://wildlife.state.co.us/landwater/statewildlifeareas/pages/swa.aspx

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State wildlife areas (SWAs) are state- or privately-owned lands that offer state-managed, wildlife-related recreation to the public. While most activities focus on hunting and fishing, each SWA has different allowed activities based on location and available resources. These parcels of SWA land are paid for by sportsmen and sportswomen, and managed under state law by Colorado Parks and Wildlife employees for the benefit of wildlife. CPW manages about 350 SWA lands around the state. Read on for information about each SWA, pages 4−28, and get ready to plan your next adventure. Look online for SWA maps: cpw.state. co.us/WildlifeAreaMaps

SP: State Park

image Seems pretty legit. Seems like you can fish em whenever.

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STL: State Trust Lands

image Can I fish 'em? Sorta. Can I fish 'em whenever I like? No. They're only open from time to time.

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andest01 commented 5 years ago

SWAs are a no from me. There are too many one-off restrictions on both activity and time span. image

troutinsights commented 5 years ago

Seems like a reasonable justification to me, nice research.

andest01 commented 5 years ago

I've pushed this one as far as I'm comfortable with.