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* Section 16: rename section? #7

Closed gorryfair closed 9 months ago

gorryfair commented 1 year ago

There was one question about where NAT traversal is discussed - One step might be to rename this section: " Interactions with Legacy Hosts and Legacy Devices on the Path"?

Mike-Heard commented 11 months ago

Note that Section 6 (OCS) says:

The design enables traversal of errant middleboxes that incorrectly compute the UDP checksum over the entire IP payload [Fa18], rather than only the UDP header and UDP payload (as indicated by the UDP header length).

What other middlebox traversal issues pertaining specifically to options need to be discussed? If there are none, I would contend that what is present is sufficient and that no change is needed. It would be reasonable to add a reference to https://tma.ifip.org/2020/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2020/06/tma2020-camera-paper70.pdf, however.

gorryfair commented 11 months ago

The two things I know are: size of final IP packet (MTU) and checksum computation.

Mike-Heard commented 11 months ago

The two things I know are: size of final IP packet (MTU) and checksum computation.

It would be helpful (for me at least) to under stand what the spec needs to say about MTU that is relevant specifically to middlebox traversal, given that to many of us the normal action of a router discarding a packet that is too large for an outgoing link is not normally discussed under the head of "middlebox issues" or "NAT traversal issues."

As for checksum computation, do you feel that the existing text in the OCS section is inadequate?

gorryfair commented 11 months ago

I also do not think PMTU is a specific topic that needs to be discussed in a middle box section. If the datagram is too big it is dropped.GorryOn 20 Jul 2023, at 13:31, Mike-Heard @.***> wrote:

The two things I know are: size of final IP packet (MTU) and checksum computation.

It would be helpful (for me at least) to under stand what the spec needs to say about MTU that is relevant specifically to middlebox traversal, given that to many of us the normal action of a router discarding a packet that is too large for an outgoing link is not normally discussed under the head of "middlebox issues" or "NAT traversal issues." As for checksum computation, do you feel that the existing text in the OCS section is inadequate?

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jtouch commented 9 months ago

Not sure I understand what is being suggested yet. Added ref to the paper above to -23, but no other changes yet. Please suggest a way forward.

gorryfair commented 9 months ago

I suggest we close this with no further action.

Mike-Heard commented 9 months ago

I suggest we close this with no further action.

I concur.

Gorry, you opened the issue, so maybe it would be good for you to close it.