bépo french layout

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What steps will reproduce the problem?
1.
2.
3.Bépo is a french layout. It's based on a similar principle as dvorak. It's 
possible to ad it in 
this program? What can i do to help? 

The url of the describe is www.bepo.fr

What is the expected output? What do you see instead?

What version of the product are you using? On what operating system?

Please provide any additional information below.

Original issue reported on code.google.com by visierantoine@gmail.com on 29 Aug 2009 at 2:02

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Ho, thank’s Agnes for asking the missing symbols…

What do you think about this isue :
http://code.google.com/p/softkeyboard/issues/detail?id=370 (the number 
proposition on
the first line).

And Am-i the only one with dictionnary problems with accents ? (this issue :
http://code.google.com/p/softkeyboard/issues/detail?id=369)

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 17 May 2010 at 12:47

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On the last one, there's two apostrophes in direct access : the « ' » and 
the « ’ ». 
It's too much. The one on the lower row could be a « - » instead, with 
acces to other 
dashes with long press.

The lower line will look like this :
[:)] ? , [space] . - [search]

On the apostrophe (third line) we could put all the comas : ' ’ " ‘ « »

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 18 May 2010 at 2:47

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I have 2 others issues in French, should I open issues for each of them?
- words with an hyphen in the middle should be considered as one word. For 
instance,
if you hit "peu", "peut-être" should be proposed.
- words recorded with a capital (first names…) should be written with a 
capital, even
without hitting the shift key at the beginning of the word.

Original comment by agnes.zi...@free.fr on 20 May 2010 at 9:30

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Yes. Open issues for these.

Original comment by menn...@gmail.com on 20 May 2010 at 9:35

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We tried to understand the xml file but it's unclear for us how a single code 
can 
provide the different stats and variables of a key ?
We used to linux-style (xkb) descriptions ;o)

But I can provide you a complet description of the  bepo key after discution 
with the 
other bépo's dev on the bépo's forum.

Some questions :
– Can the lower row be changed or it's fixed for all the keyboards ?

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 27 May 2010 at 2:48

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The lower row is fixed (for now).
Provide the description of your desired BEPO layout.

Original comment by menn...@gmail.com on 27 May 2010 at 2:58

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Can I suggest small improvments for the lower row (I can open a new issue if 
you 
want) :
— moving the « ; » from the « . » to the « , » it's way more logical 
(and the « : » 
will become the first choice on « . » ;
— adding [], {} and <> on the « , » with (), they are realy far on the 
actual 
layout ;
— adding "«" and "»" on the « ' » the are needed in french, germal, etc.
— I'll move the « … » (very convinient on short text like twitter) as 
the second or 
third choice on « . ».

PS : I can't find it but I reamember reading here about a « double tap » 
system who 
allow to select the first variant on a key. It's a realy great idear…

I've open a discussion about bépo with other dev. I think there will be realy, 
realy 
small improvments. When we're donne I'll post here a definitiv layout.

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 27 May 2010 at 5:06

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Any opinion about the proposition above ? Do you want me to open a nee isue in 
order to allow other user to give an opinion ?

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 8 Jun 2010 at 1:50

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Speaking about the bépo juste a little thing to do :

Remove the apostrophe on the botom (alphabetic) line since the symbol is 
allready on the botom line (space line) and put the « - » instead (we use it 
a lot for composed words).
The botom line became :
[Shift] Y X K - Q G H F [Backspace]
On this « - » key the alternatives are : 
— « — » emdash
— « – » endash
— « _ » underscore

Other no important things :
— on the « e » the « é » is not needed as an alternate since it's on 
direct acces on the first line ;
— since the first line almost have no alternate symbols needed in french 
(expt the « ô » but the auto-corection work great on this, we realy like to 
have the numbers as the first alternative.

So, the first line alternative will become :
1 2 3 4(and « o » variant) 5 6 7(and « d » variant) 8(and « l » variant) 
9(and « j » variant) 0(and « z » variant).

Don't know if it's possible… thank's a lot for putting the bépo un softkey,
Olivier.

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 8 Jun 2010 at 2:03

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Any new on this ? The androïd bépo will be at a french open-source fair¹ 
from the 6th to 11th july. I will be great to present a polished version.

[1] http://2010.rmll.info/

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 18 Jun 2010 at 3:08

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@herrlado, would you like to help these guys?

Original comment by menn...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 10:55

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@mennyed
I'll do.

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 11:03

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thanks :)

Original comment by menn...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 11:09

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hi herrlado, nice news. If you need any help / precisions, just tell me !

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 12:29

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We also support double tap on the kyes. Any interest to use them?

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 12:31

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You meen tapping two time on a symbol select se first second choice ?
If it’s that it’s a great idear… but we have a lot of double lettre in 
french (mostly « ss », « rr », « tt », « ll », « nn », 
« mm »). Not shure if it’s a good idear. I must think about it. As a 
first tought I’ll say yes if we can dissable it on some lettre (for exemple 
the « l » since « ll » is way more frequent than « ł » who don’t 
exist in french ! I don’t want a « ł » to appear each time y type a 
« ll »).

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 1:09

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You must decide where to use double tap. It must be integreated in the layout.
as examample we can define double tap on e produces é.
Of course if in french is typed a lot of tt or rr it does not make sense to map 
something on this keys.

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 1:13

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is Comment 59 is the final version of the suggestion?

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 1:13

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The apostrophe in the third  row is not same as the apostrophe in the <SPACE> 
row.

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 1:17

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Yes, the version on the 59 is the final, exept for double tap wich is realy 
great.
Usefull double tap for us :
— double « a » give a « à » ;
— double « e » give a « è » (we have « é » directly, don’t 
need to put it on the « e ») ;
— double « u » give a « ù » ;
— double « - » give a « — » (em dash) ;
— double « c » give a « ç »

We could also add : double « o » give a « ô » but in fact I’d prefer 
that double tap on each letter of the first row give numbers.
bépowvdljz give 1234567890

What apend to Capital letters ? Is double tap work ?

On last row (if I well understand it’s not linked to the layout) :
— double « , » give a « ; »
— double « . » give a « : »
— double « ? » give a « ! »
— double « ' » give a « ’ »

About the apostrophe, yes, they are not the same. The « ’ » typographic 
one and should be use, but the « ' » is the mostly used (sadly) and the one 
the orthographic correction know. We think that on such a small keyboard, 
keeping the « ' » in direct is the best choice since having the « - » 
on direct acces is a need.

Is it what you need ? Thank’s a lot for helping us. I don’t understand how 
to do this myself :(

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 2:20

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Please test this version. It can be, that you must uninstall your already 
installed french language pack, becaue not menny built this pack. If it is 
fina, menny will releas then it to the market

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 8:04

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• AnySoftKeyboardLanguagePackFrench-20100619-imp.apk

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And here the version with numbers as double taps on the first row!

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 8:50

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• AnySoftKeyboardLanguagePackFrench-20100619-imp-nums.apk

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after a quick test, some isues :
— two botom bar !
— when on cap, only the double tap symbol can be access, no way to do the 
normal one
— double tap don't work allways. Sometime the previev show the right symbol 
but don't pruint it
— the emdash is on the douale tap or "-" but not on the alternative
— no suggestions
— upper row : no ô on double tap "o" (it also should be the first 
altiernativ)
— lack of suggested altirnatives on bottom bar

Do I need to install another softkey version ?

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 9:03

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@nemolivier

Yes please install the newest testers version from the download page :)

on the o should be a digit. -> 
AnySoftKeyboardLanguagePackFrench-20100619-imp-nums.apk

In the AnySoftKeyboardLanguagePackFrench-20100619-imp.apk  I've just forgot it.
Put test please which version you'd prefer.

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 9:10

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Ok, way beter with the latest devel package. The num version looks realy great 
but the "ll" is quite frequent. 
Do you plan an option to enable/disable the double tap feature ?
I think that for all the double tap symbols there should the same symbol as 
the.first alternativ.
The suggestions still don't work.
I don't see the alternativ of the comment number 57 on the botom row.

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 9:36

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The double tap can not be disabled at this moment.
I do not know if the main entwickle would like to make double tap optional.
Alternativ we can just remove double tap from l.

Regarding suggestins, does not it work at all? Or it works wrong?

What do you mean of "...alternativ of the comment number 57 in the bottom row"?

Shoul I reorder the bottom row?

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 9:44

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If we remove double tap from « l », we must remove all the numbers !

Maybe I’ve missunderstood the comment n°56, sorry. For the moment, the 
bottom row won’t change. I’ve made some suggestions about different 
alternative (move and add) that looks more logical.

After a reboot, suggestions seem’s to work again.

Thank’s a lot,
Olivier.

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 10:03

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ok, what is not to do?

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 19 Jun 2010 at 10:13

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I think I’m gonna try for a few days, but the first impression is that the 
double « l » is realy annoying :)
Do you have a realese date ?
Is there a bug I can subscribe to know when new rc commes ? (the market is 
great and realy linux-like for updates !)

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 20 Jun 2010 at 5:39

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mennyed should release this, he knows when :)

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 20 Jun 2010 at 7:32

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I can release the French pack when ever you say.
Just say you are fine with the work herrlado did, and I'll publish to the 
Market.

Original comment by menn...@gmail.com on 21 Jun 2010 at 5:36

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No, you can’t since the last alpha is needed. But we’re not in a hury.

My question was just : how can I do to have notification of new alpha :)

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 21 Jun 2010 at 6:14

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You can listen on the projects feeds:
http://code.google.com/p/softkeyboard/feeds

Original comment by menn...@gmail.com on 21 Jun 2010 at 7:58

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So after some tests, the numerical is unusable : we need « ll » and 
« pp » for french and « oo » for english (so we let the auto-correction 
put the « ô » when needed).
So I used the non-numerical one. Here is a few corrections :
— remove « è » from « ee » and put it on « éé » (we never need 
« éé », but « ee » is usefull for english ;
— the double tap on « - » is « — » (emdash) wich is good, but on 
longpress the emdash is not here, only the endash « – ». Alternatives on 
« - » should be : — – _ (emdash, endash, underscore.

Everything else is perfect !

(exept the « œ » problem but don’t know it it’s french-related. The 
correction tool should that in french sometime « oe » is « œ »… Same 
as he should propose « à » when a sigle « a » is type)

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 23 Jun 2010 at 10:20

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Maybe I wasn’t clear on the post above. 
The only double tap we need are :
— double « a » give a « à » ;
— double « é » give a « è » ;
— double « u » give a « ù » ;
— double « - » give a « — » (em dash) ;
— double « q » give a « ç » (tricky but we need the double « c ») ;
— double « k » give a « … » (realy cool symbol !) ;

And the bottom line : 
— double « , » give a « ; » ;
— double « . » give a « : » ;
— double « ? » give a « ! » ;
— double « ' » give a « " » (usefull since the «/» are not there).

Symbols still need to be present on the long-press, since not everybody use the 
double tap (silly…)

Thank’s a lot,
Olivier.

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 7 Jul 2010 at 11:00

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It will be done, according to you last post ;)

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 7 Jul 2010 at 11:02

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I've just found this layout and am liking it better than the default.
But is there a newer version with the latest suggested fixes ?
The 20100619 (without numbers on double-tap) there is no alternatives pop-up on 
long press for the bottom row and the - key. 
Not a show-stopper for everyday typing but that's the only one issue I see in 
this layout.

Original comment by Samuel.K...@gmail.com on 14 Jul 2010 at 11:28

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soory folks. I need a bit more time. A this time I have not so much time. But 
soon, I promise...

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 14 Jul 2010 at 11:30

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@Samuel it’s the bug n°439 
http://code.google.com/p/softkeyboard/issues/detail?id=439&start=100
I’m like you, just wait… I’ve try to look at the source code but don’t 
understand where to make the corrections.

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 14 Jul 2010 at 11:34

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Which symbols do you like to have on the long press? Every Accent vatian or 
just only used in french? Which are these?

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 14 Jul 2010 at 11:54

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So, please test this
http://code.google.com/p/softkeyboard/downloads/detail?name=AnySoftKeyboardLangu
agePackFrench-20100714-current.apk&can=2&q=

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 14 Jul 2010 at 12:17

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ok, sorry for not telling you that :
long e : è ê ë € é then others
long a : à â ä æ then others
long o : ô œ then others
long u : ù ü then others
long i : ï î then others
long - : — (em) – (en) _ 
long y : ÿ then others
long c : ç then others (we have the © when speaking about Mac™®© ;o))

optional (but in the true bépo, don’t read this if you have no time, not 
needed in everyday use) : 
long b : | ¦
long p : & §
long s : ẞ
long n : ñ
long r : ® and ™

Thank’s a lot,
Olivier.

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 14 Jul 2010 at 12:22

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The bottom line is ok (not the one I talk about in comment n#57 but if I 
understand, the bottom line is the same for all the languages).
Of course, the long press symbols are not the one I gave you… since I posted 
them after you !

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 14 Jul 2010 at 1:42

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we can override bottom row :)

Otherway we can not have double tap on it.

Can u list here how ot should look like? As u did it in post 93 and 86 ?

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 14 Jul 2010 at 2:50

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Yes, exactly.
And the long-press of bottom line are in post 57

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 14 Jul 2010 at 3:01

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After a small test it seems that the double tap on « . » don’t work. It 
should give me a « : ».

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 15 Jul 2010 at 8:47

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@nemolivier

I'll fix all the things later today... ;)

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 15 Jul 2010 at 9:05

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http://code.google.com/p/softkeyboard/downloads/detail?name=AnySoftKeyboardLangu
agePackFrench-20100715-comment-57.apk&can=2&q=

Original comment by herrl...@gmail.com on 15 Jul 2010 at 1:28

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Great ! Even the ™ and ®. Thank's a lot. We'll put this on the bepo site 
when it will be on market.
Ok everything looks allmost perfect. Small bugs :
— long press on « , » : no X to close the pop-up (maybe too much 
symbols,  )
— long press on « ' » : the « ; » don't need to be here, and the 
order would be better with : " « » „ “ ”
— long press on « - » : there's a hole on 3rd potision
— long press on « s » : first symbol is a square (font problem ?)

As you see, only small things.
Olivier.

Original comment by nemoliv...@gmail.com on 15 Jul 2010 at 3:33