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u8sand / Baka-MPlayer

The libmpv based media player
https://u8sand.github.io/Baka-MPlayer/
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Name #92

Closed maimteve closed 9 years ago

maimteve commented 9 years ago

I've seen some opposition to the name "baka-MPlayer". Some think this means the player is just for anime. Others find the name nerdy and cringy. It's similar opposition that I've found to the "Kawaii Codec Pack". People won't use it simply because they hate anime. Never underestimate the immaturity of nerds.

There should be a new name, one which is not anime themed.

u8sand commented 9 years ago

I have no particular attachment to the name; I would be very keen on receiving some suggestions for a new name which appeals to everyone.

A Gnome is a pagan Alchemist--I don't believe that has chased away people with religious beliefs from using Gnome. Google is a number--I don't believe that has chased away people who aren't nerds/deal with numbers.

My point is a name is a name--I find it ridiculous that people find such useless things to complain about. Facebook sounds stupid, so does twitter. If you have a good product I don't think it matters.

But that's just my rant on the subject, again I'm up to anything.

DesuDesuDesuDesu commented 9 years ago

Some think this means the player is just for anime. Others find the name nerdy and cringy. ... There should be a new name, one which is not anime themed.

baka! the name's totally subarashii and sugoi desu.

my-life-is-confetti-zz commented 9 years ago

A couple of simple names ideas that may fit could be:

Reel (as it pertains to movies shown with a reel of film)

Screen or Screentime (as it pertains to sitting down and taking in a movie from a projection source on a projection screen)

Couldn't help throwing a couple of suggestions out there for you, I'm kind-of a word-nerd.

Zoom (as it is based on an optical lens term, also relates to fast and light and quick, as it pertains to its new, zippy, libmpv-based engine to provide the movie viewing goods)

my-life-is-confetti-zz commented 9 years ago

Apologies on suggesting Zoom, apparently in-use by In matrix.com for a video player product already.

Screen, Screentime/ScreenTime, Reel and ReelTime, are however, not in use currently.

ReelTime is kind of cute, as it implies what the purpose of the app is for (if this was the new name); watching movies, and what you'd be doing while using it: watching movies... Because it's "reel time".

godly-devotion commented 9 years ago

@ConundrumAdInfinitum I like the direction in where the names are going. However ReelTime sounds a bit similar to the god-awful RealPlayer. Also in the future, we are planning to add social interaction support (ie. comments), and are thinking of gearing the name towards that idea.

my-life-is-confetti-zz commented 9 years ago

So, something more along the lines of CinemaRundown or CinemaSuggest?

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Subject: Re: [Baka-MPlayer] Name (#92)
@ConundrumAdInfinitum I like the direction in where the names are going. However ReelTime sounds a bit similar to the god-awful RealPlayer. Also in the future, we are planning to add social interaction support (ie. comments), and are thinking of gearing the name towards that idea. — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub.
my-life-is-confetti-zz commented 9 years ago

Maybe "Featured" as it could refer to playing features and discussing/recommending Features (as in films or anime), and possibly rating them.

Are you guys planning an "IMDB-alike" module?

Or more like a Netflix-Facebook recommendation bridge thingy?

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Subject: Re: [Baka-MPlayer] Name (#92)
@ConundrumAdInfinitum I like the direction in where the names are going. However ReelTime sounds a bit similar to the god-awful RealPlayer. Also in the future, we are planning to add social interaction support (ie. comments), and are thinking of gearing the name towards that idea. — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub.
amazingfate commented 9 years ago

Nobody has said baka is related to anime. It is just a name just as @u8sand said. If you read the wikipedia: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%A6%AC%E9%B9%BF, you will find baka is just a Japanese word. It is used not only in anime. It has both positive and negative meanings.

maimteve commented 9 years ago

My thinking:

KISS don't be overly cute

My suggestion: bg-mplayer. With "BG" not really standing for anything. I got the idea from "baka gaijin".

suhr commented 9 years ago

bg-mplayer

bmpv.

u8sand commented 9 years ago

I like the short name. What do you think @godly-devotion ?

Could just rename to bmpv or something and keep the logo. That way there is no language attachment whatsoever.

godly-devotion commented 9 years ago

@u8sand I liked acai/acai-player :( I thought we were going to name it something to do with the upcoming social feature. But if we can't think of something else, bmpv it is.

godly-devotion commented 9 years ago

Also one thing I would like to mention is that the name should arouse interest into the player. For example, Baka MPlayer has an "interesting name" so that it pops out from the never ending list of media players on popular download websites. Technically speaking, bmpv is great cause its short and makes sense to us. However, people that are not technically inclined might be deterred from its unusual name.

my-life-is-confetti-zz commented 9 years ago

What about ICU (Internet Content Utility)?

If the player: 

Plays video Gets a YouTube module Gets a chat/rating/reccomend module

The name would be short as an acronym, and expand to describe what it does.

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Also one thing I would like to mention is that the name should arouse interest into the player. For example, Baka MPlayer has an "interesting name" so that it pops out from the never ending list of media players on popular download websites. Technically speaking, bmpv is great cause its short and makes sense. However, people that are not technically inclined might be deterred from its unusual name. — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub.
jmdavis commented 9 years ago

Personally, if I had a problem with the name baka-mplayer, it would be that it has mplayer in its name when it uses mpv, not mplayer (though it wouldn't surprise me if more people found it thanks to mplayer being in the name and them looking for something related to mplayer, particularly when mpv is so much newer than mplayer). The fact that it has baka in its name doesn't bother me at all, though if I were going with baka, I'd have gone with baka-mpv, because it uses mpv.

Ideally, a name would be unique, memorable, and recognizable for what it is. Having mplayer or mpv in the name helps make it recognizable, and baka is pretty unique and memorable as far as video players go. I'd say that you should just pick a name that you like and go with it. If some folks don't like the name, then oh well. You'll never please everyone. Honestly, though, if anyone thinks that a video player is just for anime (even if it's named anime-player), then they don't know much about video players, and I wouldn't count their opinion for much. I'd probably just leave it as-is though, since changing it will just reduce its name recognition in the short term, and unless the new name is way better than baka-mplayer, it probably wouldn't make much of a difference in the long term.

But I'm not one of the developers on this project, and I don't care all that much about the name as long as it it does its job.

my-life-is-confetti-zz commented 9 years ago

I agree with Jonathan M Davis, I never really had much of a problem with baka-mplayer as a name myself. I was suggesting names to be helpful.

Since there is some potential confusion around the "mplayer" part of baka-mplayer,

Why not just baka-mpv? or mpv-player?

Both are simple, indicate that the player uses mpv as the "rendering engine", and is a little bit more than using mpv standalone.

Also, it isn't overly cute, as another put it.

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Jonathan M Davis <notifications@github.com

wrote:

Personally, if I had a problem with the name baka-mplayer, it would be that it has mplayer in its name when it uses mpv, not mplayer (though it wouldn't surprise me if more people found it thanks to mplayer being in the name and them looking for something related to mplayer, particularly when mpv is so much newer than mplayer). The fact that it has baka in its name doesn't bother me at all, though if I were going with baka, I'd have gone with baka-mpv, because it uses mpv.

Ideally, a name would be unique, memorable, and recognizable for what it is. Having mplayer or mpv in the name helps make it recognizable, and baka is pretty unique and memorable as far as video players go. I'd say that you should just pick a name that you like and go with it. If some folks don't like the name, then oh well. You'll never please everyone. Honestly, though, if anyone thinks that a video player is just for anime (even if it's named anime-player), then they don't know much about video players, and I wouldn't count their opinion for much. I'd probably just leave it as-is though, since changing it will just reduce its name recognition in the short term, and unless the new name is way better than baka-mplayer, it probably wouldn't make much of a difference in the long term.

But I'm not one of the developers on this project, and I don't care all that much about the name as long as it it does its job.

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maimteve commented 9 years ago

I like the idea of using mpv intstead of mplayer.

How about b-mpv?

rrooij commented 9 years ago

I have no problems with the name, except the "mplayer" part, since Baka-Mplayer uses libmpv.

godly-devotion commented 9 years ago

@amazingfate what do you think about mao-player (猫)? i thought about neko-player but neko is kind of ubiquitous and maybe unoriginal.

rrooij commented 9 years ago

Mao reminds me of Mao Zedong. :cry:

amazingfate commented 9 years ago

"mao" doesn't only mean "猫" in Chinese, I think "miao"(喵) is better if you wanna something with cat.

godly-devotion commented 9 years ago

A friend of mine recommended me the name fovea. Put simply, it is the part of the eye that is responsible for sharp central vision. I've also sketched out a prototype logo if you want to see https://db.tt/vzJ7Rwdo/ (I've found out that it looks similar to the cbs logo after creating it).

Thoughts?

DesuDesuDesuDesu commented 9 years ago

Ahoy, first of all: I'd also definitly rename the "mplayer" part to "mpv" - that's not confusing as it is, but deceptive. There's a trusted german website about computer stuff, even they write that the player "is based on MPlayer" >>. About "Fovea": I like the idea, it's witty. It's kind of an inside joke because most people won't get it; but the proposed logo also is a nice hint. It also sounds interesting (especially concerning the people who won't get it). I don't know if the similarity to CBS is a problem - as an not-US-american (=~half of your target group), I've never seen their logo before. I guess the triangle is difference enough. The logo looks cool! Personally, I'd (still) prefer "Baka MPV", but it's not really that important to me an already-user.

btw: Markdown, wtf. Why can't i just write [url=x]y[/url] here desu~

u8sand commented 9 years ago

@DesuDesuDesuDesu markdown: use <http://thisurl.com> or [This](url)

Thank you for all your contributions to the purpose; but I still have yet to find a name I'm eager to adopt.

godly-devotion commented 9 years ago

Hey folks! You probably thought we weren't thinking of a new name right? Well I'm extremely please to announce the new name of our media player.

mochi-player

We sincerely thank everyone of you for your suggestions and recommendations that brought us here today.

amazingfate commented 9 years ago

Does mochi mean this: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%A4%85 ?

godly-devotion commented 9 years ago

@amazingfate Yeah. But usually they are made into a colorful round shape to make it look tastier. Personally I love mochi ice cream.

my-life-is-confetti-zz commented 9 years ago

Naming it after food when it's got nothing to do with food.... scratches head

At least Baka-MPlayer lets you know it's an MPlayer derivative (yes, mpv, the spiritual successor to MPlayer).

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@amazingfate https://github.com/amazingfate Yeah. But usually they are made into a colorful round shape to make it look tastier. Personally I love mochi ice cream.

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