Ads are shown nevertheless...

Gnuop commented 9 years ago

on focus.de, prosieben.de, stern.de, wetter.com, finanzen.net, handy-inside.de and many more.

http://t3n.de/news/adblocker-adblock-defender-600335/ (its german, try google translate)

more clever system than easylist needs to be established. on the long run every website will have these mechanisms, big companies are supporting it in germany

gorhill commented 9 years ago

Please open specific issues and details on how to reproduce. I have no idea what to do with what is reported here, as there is nothing specifc, no details, no filter lists, no repro steps, etc.

gorhill commented 9 years ago

my-password-is-password commented 9 years ago

dup of #380?

gorhill commented 9 years ago

I could remove the ads in the screenshot above, using the filter in the element picker. It worked. It's just a matter of creating a new filter when the site works around the older one. It's a filter lists maintenance thing.

ghost commented 9 years ago

Agreed. It's usually just necessary to place an asterisk at the right place in the filter offered by the Element Picker. Examples concerning some affected sites:

||bilder.pcwelt.de/*_03100x07680.jpg

||focus.de/*crop*.gif

||www.prosieben.de/static/*.gif

||www.inside-handy.de/image/*.gif

Gnuop commented 9 years ago

the link above translated: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ft3n.de%2Fnews%2Fadblocker-adblock-defender-600335%2F&edit-text=

its worth reading it...you'll recognize theres a clever technology behind it.

of course its just a matter of creating a new filter. but thats not the way it works for the general, non technical user. He doesnt know how to do that. If the filter is listed in any lists the anti-adblocker-software tests against, it is not working any longer cause the anti-adblocker software changes the path, the format (jpg oder gif) and creates a new name for the image file. its a clever system. more and more sites are supporting it: many really BIG sites are using it like finanzen.net, stern.de or focus.de. the last 2 sites or the biggest magazine sites in germany. prosieben.de is one of the biggest TV stations.

the product listed in the article belongs to one of the greatest publisher in germany. International companies are already making there own products.

i think the filter system isnt working and not a good solution against these challenges - you can see that in the easylist changes. sometimes 2 hours after changing the filter it wasnt working any longer.

what do you think could be done?

perhaps not showing any pictures with scrambled names? perhaps not showing pictures on those positions, where these ads are shown? perhaps you have better solutions?

ghost commented 9 years ago

of course its just a matter of creating a new filter. but thats not the way it works for the general, non technical user. He doesnt know how to do that.

Well, many of the already existing filters are relatively cryptic for someone who isn't familiar with the ABP filter syntax. That's why gorhill said that it's a filter lists maintenance thing.

i think the filter system isnt working and not a good solution against these challenges

This remains to be seen. So far, I doubt that you're right. I created the filters in my previous post yesterday and they still work today. I suggest that you report unblocked content and ask for filters in the respective sub-forums on https://forums.lanik.us/

gorhill commented 9 years ago

thats not the way it works for the general, non technical user. He doesnt know how to do that.

Last commit is to try to alleviate this.

Launch element picker.
Click one of the ad.
Element picker dialog opens, with one choice of network filter: the image just clicked.
Go back to pick again -- by clicking "Pick" or by clicking outside the dialog box.
Click on another ad image.
Element picker dialog opens, with now two choices of network filters:
- The image just clicked; and
- A new network filter which work for the image just clicked and the image previously clicked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO0Mh-SAkHM

Most often, this "composite" filter will end up selecting all the ads on the page. But it is incremental, meaning if a user keep clicking on images, the suggested composite filter will become more and more broad.

So this alleviate the need for a user to understand filter syntax. And even for more experienced users, this is nice, the element picker does automatically what the user would end up doing anyways after searching for patterns in multiple URLs.

harshanvn commented 9 years ago

Wow, this is a nice addition to counter these kind of ads.

Gnuop commented 9 years ago

@gorhill : thanks for your description. i was hoping that there would be a solution which does not involve the end user but instead gets down to the root of the trouble. the casual/general user won't create own filters and in the end he could even think the adblocker doesnt work. So I expext the publishers to continue to integrate the anti adblocker software cause they earn a lot of money (which shows that no one/a minority is making individual filters).

but perhaps i am wrong! ;)

btw: your decribed method doesnt work on www.tvspielfilm.de. i created my own filter using an asterisk.

@tlu1024: "This remains to be seen. So far, I doubt that you're right. I created the filters in my previous post yesterday and they still work today. I suggest that you report unblocked content and ask for filters in the respective sub-forums on https://forums.lanik.us/"

-> the maintainer of the geman easylist gave up. check out the geman easylist forum.

if ublock would find a solution in its blockers itself it would be a really great unique feature compared to adblock plus.

gorhill commented 9 years ago

your decribed method doesnt work on www.tvspielfilm.de

Yeah I was just thinking earlier that I should make the method work across page load -- currently it work only for one session element picker session. This is not difficult to implement, as always it's more about finding the proper UI. I will work toward the solution working across page reload, i.e. launch element picker, select the ads, force a page reload, launch the element picker, pick more ads, by then it should be sufficient for uBlock to figure a proper filter. Well it would be for the case above:

! 19/03/2015 19:26:33 http://www.tvspielfilm.de/
||a2.tvspielfilm.de/imedia/7589/1239745,3b220b436e5f3d917a1e649a0dc0281cb430bedaf544d495473ae9767afc_*_*==.jpg

But it's just one more tool, not a guarantee to solve the never ending problem: it's a cat and mouse game, no javascript can replace a human in identifying what is an ad and what is not.

The ultimate tool is the user ("tool" in a good way): when a site ends up peppering itself with unavoidable ads, users should just stop going to that site, that will solve the problem. users have the final word.

By the way, these particular ads are really ruining their sites, it's amazing to see they think they are a great idea.

Anyway, I will just further fine tune that tool.

ghost commented 9 years ago

the maintainer of the geman easylist gave up. check out the geman easylist forum.

I did. Where did he say this? On the contrary I'm seeing a lot of proposed filters for these sites mentioned by you and others.

@gorhill : This is an excellent enhancement - congratulations!

gorhill commented 9 years ago

work across page load

Implemented with 45882970fad63736338923079ca696d0ecaa7cb2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoFC3EJWg08.

alejandrolemus commented 9 years ago

@gorhill : This is an excellent enhancement - congratulations!

+1, excellent indeed

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