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05/21: Lewis #5

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shevajia commented 4 years ago

Comment below with questions or thoughts about the reading for this week's workshop.

Please make your comments by Wednesday 11:59 PM, and upvote at least five of your peers' comments on Thursday prior to the workshop. You need to use 'thumbs-up' for your reactions to count towards 'top comments,' but you can use other emojis on top of the thumbs up.

policyglot commented 4 years ago

Thank you, Dr. Lewis. for this interesting exploration of links between linguistics, psychology and gender stereotypes. Two questions:

a) While your paper touches on the causal mechanism and the possibility of a third mediating variable, what link does your conclusion hold with the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis? Some authors like Kay and Kempton (1984) concede that casting the 'hypothesis' into an empirically testable one has proven challenging. Nonetheless, to what extent do you think your work can explore its core ideas of linguistic determinism, and how language shapes the way we interpret our world?

b) In Figure 3 a), you plot the male/career association against the proportion of gendered words for professions. Right at the bottom, I noticed Hindi, which happens to be my native language. From my own experience, Hindi has a large number of female versions for career words, with distinct morphological markers. For example, dhobi is a washerman, and dhoban is a washerwoman. But for more 'modern' professions (with the word most likely imported from English), terms like 'doctor' are indeed gender-neutral. The same may be true of other non-occidental languages in your plot. Could it be possible that the specific set of professions for which gender-specific nouns exist itself varies by the culture and history of each country in the sample?

Kay, P., & Kempton, W. (1984). What is the Sapir‐Whorf hypothesis?. American anthropologist, 86(1), 65-79

ChivLiu commented 4 years ago

Thank you for the presentation! I always consider gender inequality and cultural stereotypes as important fields for education. An interesting fact is that, no matter which background we were from, many teachers and parents have told us that girls perhaps could not learn natural sciences or computational subjects as well as boys. However, the fact is that we would all have the same chance to succeed in a field if we study in the same room. From the figures shown in the paper, I found that Mandarin is relatively a gender-neutral language. Mandarin nowadays has been greatly different from traditional Chinese, and most urban families in China have become very open-minded. On the other hand, traditional Chinese cultures still consider males to be more work-focused and females to be more family-focused. Therefore, I just have an unimportant suggestion for this study. Since the paper said that they studied the most commonly used languages from the countries, it means that the collected terms from those languages perhaps didn't include dialect terms. Hence, I believe including those terms would further improve the accuracy of the model.

ydeng117 commented 4 years ago

Thank you for the presentation. It is very interesting that our languages can influence our gender ideology in an unconscious way. My first question is how do you distinguish the effect of language on our ideologies from the effect of our ideologies on our languages? As we learn our languages through experiences, parents, teachers, media, etc, we are socialized into certain gender stereotypes. As a result, we have gendered language patterns that are derived from these stereotypes. Your research seems to present another casual relation: as we are exposed to the gendered language structures, we gain certain gender stereotypes. Hence, there seems to have a "chicken or the egg" causality dilemma: whether our gender stereotype leads to our gendered language structure or our language structure that reflects a certain ideology generates stereotypes? I am curious that how do you solve such a causality problem in your research? My second question relates to the concept of "doing gender". As many gender study scholars suggested, we can manage our gender impressions on others. For example, a female coach can display her masculinity by showing her assertiveness and aggression, and a male nurse can also illustrate his femininity in nurturing his patients. How would you imagine the language structure can help people in doing their gender? and what implications do you have for language usage in promoting gender equality?

wanitchayap commented 4 years ago

Thank you in advance for your presentation! This is a very interesting topic and I am very excited to hear your talk. I have 2 short questions:

  1. In your future direction, you mentioned investigating the degree of exposure needed to form differences in belief as well as this phenomenon in bilingual individuals. I can think of three samples to test these two questions: bilingual adults, bilingual children, and L2 learners. I guess it is possible to find data for adult sample. However, the results might not be completed without the children sample (ex. L2 aldult's learning trajectory and final competency is different from a bilingual child learning the 2 languages), but the children sample might not be as easily obtained as adult sample without in-person experiment. And even with the in-person experiment, it is hard to get enough data to train a reliable embedding model. How would you investigate these questions in children sample using observational study?

  2. I think it is really admirable that you pre-registered your study! I know about the concept of pre-registration and that the scientific community tries to encourage researchers to do so. However, I have never heard about it first-handed. Could you explain more about your experience of doing so?

bakerwho commented 4 years ago

Thanks in advance for sharing with us.

Your use of word embeddings to infer gender stereotypes is novel and very interesting! I really appreciated the elegant way in which you used context-based word embedding models to examine the associations of gendered words with other words.

My first question is on the already skewed representation of non-male writers and characters in most movies and TV shows. There's a lot of analysis on how predominantly male casts or writing teams tend to misrepresent non-male characters, exaggerating and often oversexualizing traits. I'd guess that the ground-truth stereotype (so to speak) might then be slightly less strong than what you inferred from the Subtitle corpus. Was there any noticeable difference between your results on Wikipedia and the Subtitle corpus?

Secondly, did you study account for the grammatical or usage-driven gendering of the words themselves? For instance, many Sanskrit-root adjectives roughly translating 'great' tend to be adopted as male names (Virat, Vishal), while many for 'gentle' (Saumya, Namrata, Vinita) tend to be female names. In French 'richesse' and 'fortune' are feminine nouns. I'm not sure how this might influence the effect you studied, but was curious about it anyway.

luxin-tian commented 4 years ago

Thank you in advance for your presentation. This is quite an innovative perspective to explore potential causal pathways between language and gender stereotypes. I have one concern about the inference of the causal relationship, though might be trivial. Since many organizations and social movements are advocating the usage of gender-neutral language, involving many languages, especially those that are used as official working languages in public sectors or international organizations such as the United Nations. In this case, the language read by people, from their early ages, can be somewhat refined to align with such initiatives. However, such changes can be imbalanced across different groups of people with different levels of education, social status, family backgrounds, etc. If it is the case, there can be significant heterogeneity underlying the causal mechanism, and the influence of such movements on language can be lagged-behind and hardly observable in an immediate manner. How can we further address these problems?

hesongrun commented 4 years ago

Thanks for your presentation! This is really an interesting topic. Your research shed light on the role our language plays in molding the gender identity. My question is how do you perform causal inference of language people used on the formation of man-career/woman-family stereotypes? How do you address the endogeneity issue here? It could be the case that people's attitudes toward gender identity cause them to use certain language. So how do you address the problem of reverse causality in this study? Thanks!

hihowme commented 4 years ago

Thanks for your presentation in advance! I am wondering how do you address the possible endogeneity problem here? Thanks a lot!

bhargavvader commented 4 years ago

Thank you Molly, it is always exciting to hear an ex-Knowledge Lab member speak!

@policyglot already pointed out the consequences this has for the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis - and @hesongrun and @hihowme have both discussed the issues with endogeneity and how measuring the extent of the Sapir-Whorf-ness of this can become an exercise in futility.

I also notice that there is no mention of this in your paper - is it because the hypothesis isn't really taken very seriously in this kind of more quantitative work, or do you not approach the problem with that in mind? Keith Chen approaches this conversation in his work (The Effect of Language on Economic Behavior: Evidence from Savings Rates, Health Behaviors, and Retirement Assets), and I thought it was a cool way to go about thinking of how language affects our actions (and thoughts).

So basically, my questions is: what do you think of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, and is it at all a guiding thought in your research?

Yilun0221 commented 4 years ago

Thanks for the presentation! I really like this topic! My question is, what is the purpose of using 25 languages? Do you want to reach a conclusion of the whole population in the world? Or do you want to compare different communities in terms of their languages?

linghui-wu commented 4 years ago

Thank you for your brilliant work. Gender discrimination has always been my research of interest and I think the employment of content analysis techniques such as word embedding provides me a new angle to investigate the problem.

I have similar questions as those by my peers:

  1. My initial thought about the use of subtitles and Wikipedia corpus in study 1a is to strike a balance between formal written and informal spoken languages. The first question of @bakerwho makes me cannot help but think how the two corpus complement each other and deal with the uneven tendency of gender discrimination in different data sources?

  2. As mentioned by @luxin-tian, the social movement calling for gender equality in recent years has promoted the usage of gender-neutral language, I wonder whether we can capture such a dynamic in the study?

di-Tong commented 4 years ago

Thank you for sharing this interesting work! Could you talk a little bit more on the possible data and designs for studying the further questions you proposed at the end of the paper (how much exposure to the relevant language statistics is sufficient to produce differences in beliefs, and how resilient the learned associations are to other sources of information)?

ShuyanHuang commented 4 years ago

Thank you for sharing your work with us! The concluding sentence in your paper stresses the importance of understanding the causal role of language in the formation of gender stereotypes. In this direction, your paper has found the association between gender stereotypes and structure of natural language semantics. But there still seems to be some distance between "association" and "causal role". Language and culture affect each other in their development. I think it would be interesting and important to separate the influences in these two directions.

zeyuxu1997 commented 4 years ago

Thanks for sharing your work with us. Your work has shown clearly the fact that language plays a significant role on shaping gender stereotypes. My question is whether the dilution of gender association can cause some unexpected changes in gender identity?

lulululugagaga commented 4 years ago

Thanks for your presentation. I feel the same that the gendered expressions/representations in languages have great influence on the formation of gendered behaviors/actions, and your work offers systematic evidence and analysis. Your perspective on studying gender stereotypes is really interesting. I look forward to this workshop!

vinsonyz commented 4 years ago

Thanks for your presentation. Very interesting topic. Stereotypes together with gender inequality are two important concerns of social scientists. While the preference for STEM might be intrinsic, how would you justify this in your research?

skanthan95 commented 4 years ago

Thanks for coming to our workshop, and for your fascinating paper! I had two questions about the methods:

(1) I'm interested in hearing more about the subtitle corpus (used in Study 1 to pre-train word embedding models to determine career-gender associations in English).  Which media were ultimately included in the sample, and why? I noticed that the number of English subtitle files and tokens in the OpenSubtitle database were included here and here, but didn't see information about the distribution of genres or timeframe. Given that language used in movies and shows varies significantly by genre and time, and some genres might contain more gender-stereotyping language than others (e.g., romance films), I'm curious about the proportion of subtitles included by movie/TV show genre and the representativeness of the sample.

(2) In Study 2, languages with more gendered occupation terms had stronger career-gender associations in their language statistics, with no reliable correlation between grammatical gender and implicit association. Looking at the career-related words chosen (anticipated to be associated with men), I noticed that some of them have a female gender in some of the languages sampled (career: "la profesión", in Spanish). While this phenomenon of "opposite" grammatical and stereotypical genders doesn't seem to have bearing on the present results, are there any other groups of gendered words (i.e., beyond "career" and "family") that you might analyze in future iterations of this work? Do you think this dissonance between the assigned grammatical gender and stereotypical gender would be an important consideration there?

dhruvalb commented 4 years ago

Thanks for sharing this interesting work with us! I was wondering about the effect of English being the lingua franca of business in many nations. People in many countries may use their native language at home and English for education/work, morphing their implicit biases. Would it be worthwhile to see which is the dominant career language and how that affects implicit associations?

rkcatipon commented 4 years ago

Hi Dr. Lewis, thank you so much for coming to speak to our program. I was impressed with how your research not only looks at semantic patterns in English but across many languages. My question was about the gender analysis used for the Filipino language. As I understand Tagalog (the non-standardized dialect of Flipino) is genderless-- through the cross-pollination of Spanish, Chinese, and American colonization has undoubtedly had an effect on the language. Could you talk a bit more about the process of finding gendered occupation terms for Filipino in study A?

YuxinNg commented 4 years ago

Thanks for sharing your work. This is a very interesting topic. Your work shows that gender stereotypes are significantly shaped by language. More and more people pay attention to the gender equality, some progress have been made in gender equality. But language does not change so quickly and easily. Do you think what you found in your paper, the connection between language and gender stereotypes will be weakened in the future. Thanks!

liu431 commented 4 years ago

Thanks for the talk. I think gender stereotype is an issue we know it exists, but couldn't be changed easily. Do you have any thoughts on how to change these stereotypes through education?

chiayunc commented 4 years ago

Thank you for your wonderful paper. I have a question on whether or not you have any comment on the fact that in Fig.2(a), there does not seem to exist clustering of languages that one might think share more linguistic roots. What do you think this could indicate? A second question I have is regarding the negative effect size. For some of the languages, there are negative effect sizes in implicit and linguistic associations of man-career. Am I correct to assume that they actually have reversed association rules? what does this tell us?

dongchengecon commented 4 years ago

Thanks a lot for your presentation! The correlation between gender stereotypes and language is quite an interesting topic. I am wondering if you could try measuring the language based on phonetics and see how that measurement could impact gender association.

minminfly68 commented 4 years ago

Thanks for your presentation. It is quite interesting to see the relationship between linguistics and sociology. I am wondering whether can we explore the effect of language change/idioms/dialects on the sociology? Can we observe the more deeper pattern in this perspective? Thanks!

fulinguo commented 4 years ago

Thanks very much for your presentation! My question is that if we control other country-level (and/or individual-level) variables in the associational analysis, whether the correlation between language and gender stereotypes will still be significant. Another question is regarding the causal analysis issues. Could you please discuss more about the changes in language and their relationship with possible changes in gender stereotypes? How could we determine whether the changes in language, if any, are exogenous? Thanks!

jsgenan commented 4 years ago

Thank you for bringing your work to us! It is very clever to use the difference in grammatical gender to establish the causal link between linguistic bias and gender stereotype. I have two questions:

  1. How would you interepret to difference in results between explicit and implicit association score? Explicit is the difference in word-type choice, while implicit score is the difference in response time. I am not sure how the different results from these two scores represent.
  2. Have you considered any longitutinal attribute of the corpus to clear up the causal link? For example, how does the association score evolve across time? I would imagine there being a varaiation across different linguistic context settings.
cytwill commented 4 years ago

This is an interesting topic and also related to my recent research! The connections between linguistic properties and social norms are always a heated topic in socio-linguistic areas. My questions are the following:

  1. What are the actual meanings of the explicit association and implicit associations in this research context? That is to say, why you think this kind of measurement can be a proxy for people's gender stereotypes? What intentions do you have to differentiate these two types of associations?
  2. You mentioned about the unreliability of the IAT dataset, and suppose that the results would still be effective on a collective level. I am wondering if there are any alternative datasets or making-up plans for this issue? Otherwise, the explanation itself might not be convincing enough to address the data unreliability.

Thank you for your presentation~

YanjieZhou commented 4 years ago

Thanks very much for your presentation! Gender ideology is undoubtedly a very critical problem and interesting topic for us to focus on. The language based on this can certainly have some impact on others and on the other hand reflect our gender-related opinions. I am very interested in its application in content analysis.

SiyuanPengMike commented 4 years ago

Thanks a lot for your interesting and inspiring paper. Gender stereotypes are a topic that all of us are highly concerned about. The results you showed between different languages are also quite impressive. I'm wondering if you could do a time series analysis to enrich your research. By using more data through more extended time, we might find the trend of gender stereotypes in different cultures, is that becoming worse or better. Thanks again for your paper!

tonofshell commented 4 years ago

Thanks for sharing your work! I noticed that you had to obtain translations as a part of the project. Did you recruit native speakers to directly assist you and your team, or did you source these translations from somewhere else? How difficult was it to find other necessary resources for languages you were not familiar with?

yongfeilu commented 4 years ago

Thank you for your presentation! My question is how you clarify whether language exerts influence on gender identity or vice versa? What is the method you recommend to solve the issue? Thank you very much!

anqi-hu commented 4 years ago

Thank you so much for sharing your work with us. It is amazing that you are studying gender stereotypes through semantics in many languages from various language families. My question is related to your suggestion of the further direction of investigating the gender-related beliefs of individuals that are bilingual and may be exposed to contradictory linguistic conventions. I think that it might be interesting to look at two types of individuals in that regard: 1) those who were born to and raised in bilingual families and 2) those who grew up monolingual but gained proficiency in another language during their education/other life experiences. Do you expect individuals speaking the same two languages from these two groups to have different trajectories in how their gender-related beliefs are shaped?

Leahjl commented 4 years ago

Thank you so much for your presentation! It is quite interesting to combine gender stereotypes and lexical forms. And I'm curious about the gender-neutral language, what would be the impact of adopting such neutral words in the modern world?

MegicLF commented 4 years ago

Thank you so much for discussing gender stereotypes! In the paper, you mentioned that the data consists of 25 languages from 8 languages families. Could you discuss the reason that you pick these specific languages and is there any obvious difference between each language family?

RuoyunTan commented 4 years ago

I think this study is interesting and meaningful in many ways. I have a small question about the IAT. When a participant classifies a word to a key, such as "female/family", it doesn't necessarily mean he/she believes in this way. In other words, how a participant classifies a word "as quickly as possible" may reflect his/her experience, like seeing this combination of words more often, but it may not reflect his/her own beliefs. Would this affect how we view and use the data?

Anqi-Zhou commented 4 years ago

Thank you for the presentation in advance! I think it's really an interesting topic. Could you please explain the IAF in details as the qualifying measurement of cultural stereotypes at an individual level? Can slower reaction time actually reflect the existence of cultural stereotype? What if there exists individual difference?

ruixili commented 4 years ago

Thank you for the presentation! This is such a great topic. My question is, under the globalization situation, many languages have started to integrate with words in foreign languages. Do you think that this integration might lead to homogenous cultural stereotypes? What's more, since we are no longer define gender as just two categories, how would this affect your study?

Yawei-Li commented 4 years ago

Thank you for your presentation in advance. In my previous understandings, it seems that the gender-based linguistic usage was the result of the stereotypes, yet your work seems to suggest the opposite. How does your work address the mutual causation?

sunying2018 commented 4 years ago

Thanks for your presentation! In the result of implicit Male-Career association and gendered occupation terms, this paper controls for age, gender, and block order. I am wondering if the educational background should be also taken into control since education majors may have an important influence on their occupation choice?

SixueLiu96 commented 4 years ago

Thanks for sharing such great work! I wonder how you deal with some potential endogenous problem in you analysis part? Because for me, this seems to cause some bias in the result.

lyl010 commented 4 years ago

Thanks for coming and this interesting work. I am curious about the Implicit Association Tests mentioned in discussion, and could you please introduce more details to us? Thank you!

harryx113 commented 4 years ago

Thank you for the presentation! I'm recently doing a related research on how genders are represented in races. For instance, African Americans are viewed more masculine and Asians are viewed more feminine with respect to white people. I wonder what you think of the interaction between gender and race in the context of language?

yutianlai commented 4 years ago

Thanks for coming! Since you are studying language and gender, I'm wondering what linguistic tools do you find particularly useful in tackling such social science problems.

heathercchen commented 4 years ago

Thank you for your presentation in advance! Your research topic is really intriguing and interests me a lot. My question is can you obtain casual relationships using the data and results from your analysis? It is the traditional gender norm that enhances what people speak or it is what people speak that reflects gender discrimination?

nt546 commented 4 years ago

Thanks for sharing your work on the relationship between language and gender stereotypes. In the presence of digitization of books and audiobooks, I was wondering about the feasibility of modifying classic works of literature to reflect gender neutrality.

sanittawan commented 4 years ago

Thank you for presenting your research to us. I personally found the paper to be very interesting. I am curious about this particular idea that you mention:

For example, if a bilingual individual is exposed to conflicting gender associations in two languages, is the net-effect a combination of the two sources of information or does it dynamically vary with the linguistic context of a given interaction

What would be your conjecture on this? Will there be a reconciliation process for a truly bilingual speaker? What do you think would be a possible effect of a person who is native to both language with and without a grammatical gender system?

Panyw97 commented 4 years ago

Thank you for your presentation! It's an interesting topic and also a good fit for computational social science. As social media is developing rapidly, we can get more data on people's thoughts through the news, their posts, etc.

weijiexu-charlie commented 4 years ago

Thanks for your presentation. I'm curious about how to tell the direction of the causal pathway in your research. That is, how could you know whether it is the gender markers in linguistics system that lead to people's cultural stereotype or it is people's cultural stereotype that leads to the statistics of gender markers you observe in the linguistics system.

WMhYang commented 4 years ago

Thank you very much for your presentation. Language can be the "original sin" of gender inequality since people learn to speak their native language as early as two years old as you mentioned in your paper. However, language is also evolving over time, so the gender associations in a language may also follow a "learning curve". Hence, I wonder if we could build a dynamic model to examine the change in gender associations in languages to better illustrate this pattern, especially in the time and age when languages are heavily affected by social media and popular trends.

hanjiaxu commented 4 years ago

Thanks for sharing your research! Certain languages are not gendered (such as Chinese? even if the written characters of she/he are the same, the pronunciations are the same), but these cultures are not necessarily free from stereotypes or gender stereotypes are manifested in more implicit ways, and I am wondering how do you deal with these type of ungendered languages in your research?