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Publisher / publication statement / publication place #13

Open chrissyrissmeyer opened 6 years ago

chrissyrissmeyer commented 6 years ago

https://github.com/ucsdlib/CA_lib_oration/blob/c3f467f7ec5acff879d95a34a69852c232682602/object_properties.yml#L55-L58

https://github.com/ucsdlib/CA_lib_oration/blob/c3f467f7ec5acff879d95a34a69852c232682602/object_properties.yml#L893-L896

UCSB agent's list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11B4lwD6qOHHvl3xmuU6aPTN_UMu-YMqBZ4XzwFDAKNE/edit#gid=1415126809

chrissyrissmeyer commented 6 years ago

RE: UCSB adoption of UCSD's use of Publisher / publication statement / publication place

Chrissy Rissmeyer Sep 8, 2017 Changing my stance on this (although it would be good to remove redundancy within the UCSD model)

chrissyrissmeyer commented 6 years ago

RE: UCSB use of marcrel:pup for transcribed publication place

Chrissy Rissmeyer Aug 31, 2017 This was a MODS mapping decision made while I was on leave that always struck me as odd.

chrissyrissmeyer commented 6 years ago

RE: UCSD marcrel:pbl and marcrel:pup are both included in the agents list.

Ryan Johnson Sep 5, 2017 UCSD does use a marcrel for publisher, but it is "marcrel:pbl". Is there a quick guidance on this vs. or in addition to "marcrel:pub"

Chrissy Rissmeyer Sep 5, 2017 marc:pub was a typo of mine! thanks for catching it. It is changed. How is marc:pbl used at UCSD? And how does that differ from your use of dc11:publisher?

Ryan Johnson Sep 5, 2017 Man, I hate those codes, especially now that they have codes in the URIs! Why?!

Anyway, our current situation is "publisher" is rarely used rather than "creator". How it's used is the object has a "relationship" block with a role ARK. That leads to an authority for the role, which has the label and the , which for publisher is 'pbl'. But again, seems to be rare usage

Ryan Johnson Sep 5, 2017 So in the future, we're hoping to just use "dc11:publisher" much like we currently do the role URIs...

Chrissy Rissmeyer Sep 5, 2017 So does that mean that what I indicated here will be correct in the future (at least according to the current version of the new model)? i.e. that dc11:publisher is used for publisher agents and that marcrel:pbl and pup are not used

Ryan Johnson Sep 5, 2017 It would appear so for publisher. But I believe we could still use marcrel:pup as it's in our agent list (that might have been updated recently) But so is pbl. Argh. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/134Hxqafmz70X0glD3T98-pLMUwOK18oftvdSWOYdJ2k/edit#gid=1415126809&range=190:190

Chrissy Rissmeyer Sep 5, 2017 Thanks Ryan! I have updated my note to indicate that UCSD includes both roles in the agents list. This is an area that I'd like to talk more about, primarily because I have really mixed feelings about using dc:publisher for agents. Traditional cataloging practice has been to transcribe publication statements, not assign authorities, and naf/viaf reflects this. This is one area of DPLA's model that I always thought was wonky since it seemed at odds with a lot of existing metadata. I know that I've only worked on two collections that I can recall where we captured the publisher as the agent (those were collections formed solely of a single publisher's work). In those cases we used an agent/role in addition to the transcribed statement. But maybe I'm not being forward thinking enough in this area...

Ryan Johnson Sep 5, 2017 Yeah, that would actually be good to talk through. I am admittedly more in the DPLA mindset where objects have agents, and I am agnostic about the existence of publication statements! So would be good to sort that out

chrissyrissmeyer commented 6 years ago

RE: UCSB adoption of UCSD's use of Publisher / publication statement / publication place

Chrissy Rissmeyer Sep 8, 2017 Changing my stance on this (although it would be good to remove redundancy within the UCSD model)

It looks like the redundancy has been taken care of with the removal of marcrel:pbl from the agents list.

chrissyrissmeyer commented 6 years ago

UCSB is fine with making this change.

@arwenhutt can you please confirm that what is captured above is still what UCSD would like to do and comment/close?