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Bug: Scandinavian Liberal Overflow #55

Open Xylephony opened 1 year ago

Xylephony commented 1 year ago

Maybe not technically a bug, but definitely a huge oversight. Scandinavia mostly just copies political parties from its constituent states, but it has one party for almost every faction except for conservatives, which have two, and liberals, which have FOUR, all with very different political agendas. The sheer volume of parties and gamut of agendas which the four parties support, plus votes from anarcho-liberals, makes liberal victories in a united Scandinavia virtually guaranteed. At most Scandinavia should have two liberal parties like the conservatives, but ideally they should either have one for each or they should have multiple parties which change over time like other tags.

ujtcelvn commented 1 year ago

Fun fact: Spain can have FIVE conservative parties and FIVE liberal parties... at the same time

Xylephony commented 1 year ago

Well, if it's historical and the number of them are balanced against each other then I think that's at least tolerable. Five liberal and five conservative guarantees a victory of one or the other, but at least that's one of two instead of just... one. Now, if any of those parties were de facto nonoperative at that point, then those should probably be addressed as well.

ujtcelvn commented 10 months ago

The Scandinavian political parties seem to be trying to represent each Scandinavian country They have 2 conservative parties:

and 4 liberal parties:

Now the problem is how should the parties of the different nationalities be represented instead? If there were only 1 or 2 parties for each ideology, what language should be party names be? All in the other parties are in Swedish due to Paradox's Swedish bias.

Xylephony commented 10 months ago

As I see it, either all parties from all constituent nations should be represented, which would be a nightmare in all senses of the word and would quite likely not fix the issue in any meaningful way, or there should be at most two parties for each ideology, preferably representing the most divergent views of those available ideologies. For example, say there's a conservative Swedish party which supports Residency, Moralism, and is Jingoist. If the Norwegian party broadly follows the Swedish party's line but there's a Danish conservative party which is Full Citizenship, Secularized and Anti-Military, then the Swedish party and Danish party should be chosen, to represent the two biggest divides which still operate under the same ideological umbrella, and the same principle should apply to other parties. I personally would also list them all in their constituent language, so no Swede-washing the party names.

The bigger issue in my opinion would be what to do with Nordism. Finland entering into Scandinavia is a major thing, and some Finnish parties would rationally be represented, but there's no way to do that. I suppose Scandinavia will just need to use Denmark, Norway and Sweden as the potential basis for its parties and assume Finland to be excluded.