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[UMMZ Birds 146800] Oriolus oriolus - Location/Date/Species Error ? #106

Open paintedstork opened 6 years ago

paintedstork commented 6 years ago

Hi there, I am a bit worried about this specimen. #146799 [previous specimen in this species] was collected by Koelz from a location 500km away. This can only mean that there is a location error in one of the specimens - or may be the date. The second, more serious implication, is on the identity of these specimens. One is tagged as O. kundoo while the other as O. oriolus. Assuming they were collected on the same day, possibly from the same site, one after another - could they be of same species?

146800 is the only hard evidence I could track till date for the occurrence of O. oriolus within the political boundaries of India. If the ID changes to O. kundoo, then it would mean a bit of work to search to obtain any other evidence or remove it from the India checklist.

Hope you will relook at the locality and possibly on the identity of these species.

Thanks & best rgds Praveen

.....................................................

You can view the original detail page on VertNet. Here are the original record contents:

Term Value
InstitutionCode UMMZ
CollectionCode Birds
References http://portal.vertnet.org/o/ummz/birds?id=urn-catalog-ummz-birds-146800
BibliographicCitation University of Michigan Museum of Zoology. UMMZ Birds Collection. Record ID: urn:catalog:UMMZ:Birds:146800. Source: http://ipt.vertnet.org:8080/ipt/resource.do?r=ummz_birds (source published on 2016-12-22)
BasisOfRecord PreservedSpecimen
VNType specimen
DCType PhysicalObject
License http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0
AccessRights http://vertnet.org/resources/norms.html
InstitutionID http://grbio.org/cool/ra64-3eva
CollectionID urn:lsid:biocol.org:col:34962
Modified 2016-02-09 13:13:24.0
Language en
OccurrenceID urn:catalog:UMMZ:Birds:146800
CatalogNumber 146800
RecordedBy Koelz, Walter N
Sex male
OccurrenceStatus present
Preparations Skin, Y
EventDate 1936-09-21
StartDayOfYear 265
EndDayOfYear 265
Year 1936
Month 9
Day 21
VerbatimEventDate 1936-09-21
HigherGeography Asia | India | Kashmir | Ladakh | | | |
Continent Asia
Country India
CountryCode IN
StateProvince Jammu and Kashmir
Locality Spitug
VerbatimLocality Asia | India | Kashmir | Ladakh
VerbatimElevation 3200
DecimalLatitude 34.127861
DecimalLongitude 77.52408
GeodeticDatum WGS84
CoordinateUncertaintyInMeters 3000
GeoreferencedBy Kadambi, Hemanth
GeoreferencedDate 2010-04-19
GeoreferenceProtocol not recorded
GeoreferenceVerificationStatus requires verification
GeoreferenceRemarks Source: Google Earth
ScientificName Oriolus oriolus
HigherClassification Animalia | Chordata | Aves | Passeriformes | Oriolidae | Oriolus
Kingdom Animalia
Phylum Chordata
Class Aves
Order Passeriformes
Family Oriolidae
Genus Oriolus
SpecificEpithet oriolus
TaxonRank species
NomenclaturalCode ICZN
UnderivedSex male
jhinshaw commented 6 years ago

I'll check these specimens. The different collection localities on the same day is not so much of a problem. He had several parties sometimes in very different locations and everything was listed with Koelz as the collector. We tried to make an itinerary for his trips a few years ago and discovered this.

Janet Hinshaw ph: 734-764-0457 Bird Division Collection Manager fax: 734-998-0038 University of Michigan Museum of Zoology Research Museums Center 3600 Varsity Drive Ann Arbor, MI 48108-2228 USA

http://lsa.umich.edu/ummz/birds/ http://www.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/birds/

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Praveen J notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi there, I am a bit worried about this specimen. #146799 [previous specimen in this species] was collected by Koelz from a location 500km away. This can only mean that there is a location error in one of the specimens - or may be the date. The second, more serious implication, is on the identity of these specimens. One is tagged as O. kundoo while the other as O. oriolus. Assuming they were collected on the same day, possibly from the same site, one after another - could they be of same species?

146800 is the only hard evidence I could track till date for the

occurrence of O. oriolus within the political boundaries of India. If the ID changes to O. kundoo, then it would mean a bit of work to search to obtain any other evidence or remove it from the India checklist.

Hope you will relook at the locality and possibly on the identity of these species.

Thanks & best rgds Praveen

.....................................................

You can view the original detail page http://portal.vertnet.org/o/ummz/birds?id=urn-catalog-ummz-birds-146800 on VertNet. Here are the original record contents:

  <tr>
    <td>InstitutionCode</td>
    <td id="InstitutionCode">

        UMMZ

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>CollectionCode</td>
    <td id="CollectionCode">

        Birds

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>References</td>
    <td id="References">

        <a target="_blank" href="http://portal.vertnet.org/o/ummz/birds?id=urn-catalog-ummz-birds-146800">http://portal.vertnet.org/o/ummz/birds?id=urn-catalog-ummz-birds-146800</a>

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>BibliographicCitation</td>
    <td id="BibliographicCitation">

        University of Michigan Museum of Zoology. UMMZ Birds Collection. Record ID: urn:catalog:UMMZ:Birds:146800. Source: http://ipt.vertnet.org:8080/ipt/resource.do?r=ummz_birds (source published on 2016-12-22)

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>BasisOfRecord</td>
    <td id="BasisOfRecord">

        PreservedSpecimen

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>VNType</td>
    <td id="VNType">

        specimen

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>DCType</td>
    <td id="DCType">

        PhysicalObject

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>License</td>
    <td id="License">

        <a target="_blank" href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0">http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0</a>

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>AccessRights</td>
    <td id="AccessRights">

        <a target="_blank" href="http://vertnet.org/resources/norms.html">http://vertnet.org/resources/norms.html</a>

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>InstitutionID</td>
    <td id="InstitutionID">

        <a target="_blank" href="http://grbio.org/cool/ra64-3eva">http://grbio.org/cool/ra64-3eva</a>

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>CollectionID</td>
    <td id="CollectionID">

        urn:lsid:biocol.org:col:34962

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Modified</td>
    <td id="Modified">

        2016-02-09 13:13:24.0

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Language</td>
    <td id="Language">

        en

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>OccurrenceID</td>
    <td id="OccurrenceID">

        urn:catalog:UMMZ:Birds:146800

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>CatalogNumber</td>
    <td id="CatalogNumber">

        146800

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>RecordedBy</td>
    <td id="RecordedBy">

        Koelz, Walter N

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Sex</td>
    <td id="Sex">

        male

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>OccurrenceStatus</td>
    <td id="OccurrenceStatus">

        present

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Preparations</td>
    <td id="Preparations">

        Skin, Y

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>EventDate</td>
    <td id="EventDate">

        1936-09-21

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>StartDayOfYear</td>
    <td id="StartDayOfYear">

        265

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>EndDayOfYear</td>
    <td id="EndDayOfYear">

        265

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Year</td>
    <td id="Year">

        1936

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Month</td>
    <td id="Month">

        9

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Day</td>
    <td id="Day">

        21

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>VerbatimEventDate</td>
    <td id="VerbatimEventDate">

        1936-09-21

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>HigherGeography</td>
    <td id="HigherGeography">

        Asia | India | Kashmir | Ladakh |  |  |  |

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Continent</td>
    <td id="Continent">

        Asia

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Country</td>
    <td id="Country">

        India

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>CountryCode</td>
    <td id="CountryCode">

        IN

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>StateProvince</td>
    <td id="StateProvince">

        Jammu and Kashmir

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Locality</td>
    <td id="Locality">

        Spitug

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>VerbatimLocality</td>
    <td id="VerbatimLocality">

        Asia | India | Kashmir | Ladakh

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>VerbatimElevation</td>
    <td id="VerbatimElevation">

        3200

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>DecimalLatitude</td>
    <td id="DecimalLatitude">

        34.127861

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>DecimalLongitude</td>
    <td id="DecimalLongitude">

        77.52408

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>GeodeticDatum</td>
    <td id="GeodeticDatum">

        WGS84

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>CoordinateUncertaintyInMeters</td>
    <td id="CoordinateUncertaintyInMeters">

        3000

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>GeoreferencedBy</td>
    <td id="GeoreferencedBy">

        Kadambi, Hemanth

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>GeoreferencedDate</td>
    <td id="GeoreferencedDate">

        2010-04-19

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>GeoreferenceProtocol</td>
    <td id="GeoreferenceProtocol">

        not recorded

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>GeoreferenceVerificationStatus</td>
    <td id="GeoreferenceVerificationStatus">

        requires verification

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>GeoreferenceRemarks</td>
    <td id="GeoreferenceRemarks">

        Source: Google Earth

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>ScientificName</td>
    <td id="ScientificName">

        Oriolus oriolus

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>HigherClassification</td>
    <td id="HigherClassification">

        Animalia | Chordata | Aves | Passeriformes | Oriolidae | Oriolus

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Kingdom</td>
    <td id="Kingdom">

        Animalia

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Phylum</td>
    <td id="Phylum">

        Chordata

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Class</td>
    <td id="Class">

        Aves

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Order</td>
    <td id="Order">

        Passeriformes

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Family</td>
    <td id="Family">

        Oriolidae

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Genus</td>
    <td id="Genus">

        Oriolus

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>SpecificEpithet</td>
    <td id="SpecificEpithet">

        oriolus

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>TaxonRank</td>
    <td id="TaxonRank">

        species

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>NomenclaturalCode</td>
    <td id="NomenclaturalCode">

        ICZN

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>UnderivedSex</td>
    <td id="UnderivedSex">

        male

    </td>
  </tr>

</tbody>

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jhinshaw commented 6 years ago

they were collected a month apart, 146799 on Aug 21, 146800 on Sept 21

Janet Hinshaw ph: 734-764-0457 Bird Division Collection Manager fax: 734-998-0038 University of Michigan Museum of Zoology Research Museums Center 3600 Varsity Drive Ann Arbor, MI 48108-2228 USA

http://lsa.umich.edu/ummz/birds/ http://www.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/birds/

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Praveen J notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi there, I am a bit worried about this specimen. #146799 [previous specimen in this species] was collected by Koelz from a location 500km away. This can only mean that there is a location error in one of the specimens - or may be the date. The second, more serious implication, is on the identity of these specimens. One is tagged as O. kundoo while the other as O. oriolus. Assuming they were collected on the same day, possibly from the same site, one after another - could they be of same species?

146800 is the only hard evidence I could track till date for the

occurrence of O. oriolus within the political boundaries of India. If the ID changes to O. kundoo, then it would mean a bit of work to search to obtain any other evidence or remove it from the India checklist.

Hope you will relook at the locality and possibly on the identity of these species.

Thanks & best rgds Praveen

.....................................................

You can view the original detail page http://portal.vertnet.org/o/ummz/birds?id=urn-catalog-ummz-birds-146800 on VertNet. Here are the original record contents:

  <tr>
    <td>InstitutionCode</td>
    <td id="InstitutionCode">

        UMMZ

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>CollectionCode</td>
    <td id="CollectionCode">

        Birds

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>References</td>
    <td id="References">

        <a target="_blank" href="http://portal.vertnet.org/o/ummz/birds?id=urn-catalog-ummz-birds-146800">http://portal.vertnet.org/o/ummz/birds?id=urn-catalog-ummz-birds-146800</a>

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>BibliographicCitation</td>
    <td id="BibliographicCitation">

        University of Michigan Museum of Zoology. UMMZ Birds Collection. Record ID: urn:catalog:UMMZ:Birds:146800. Source: http://ipt.vertnet.org:8080/ipt/resource.do?r=ummz_birds (source published on 2016-12-22)

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>BasisOfRecord</td>
    <td id="BasisOfRecord">

        PreservedSpecimen

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>VNType</td>
    <td id="VNType">

        specimen

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>DCType</td>
    <td id="DCType">

        PhysicalObject

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>License</td>
    <td id="License">

        <a target="_blank" href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0">http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0</a>

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>AccessRights</td>
    <td id="AccessRights">

        <a target="_blank" href="http://vertnet.org/resources/norms.html">http://vertnet.org/resources/norms.html</a>

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>InstitutionID</td>
    <td id="InstitutionID">

        <a target="_blank" href="http://grbio.org/cool/ra64-3eva">http://grbio.org/cool/ra64-3eva</a>

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>CollectionID</td>
    <td id="CollectionID">

        urn:lsid:biocol.org:col:34962

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Modified</td>
    <td id="Modified">

        2016-02-09 13:13:24.0

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Language</td>
    <td id="Language">

        en

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>OccurrenceID</td>
    <td id="OccurrenceID">

        urn:catalog:UMMZ:Birds:146800

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>CatalogNumber</td>
    <td id="CatalogNumber">

        146800

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>RecordedBy</td>
    <td id="RecordedBy">

        Koelz, Walter N

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Sex</td>
    <td id="Sex">

        male

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>OccurrenceStatus</td>
    <td id="OccurrenceStatus">

        present

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Preparations</td>
    <td id="Preparations">

        Skin, Y

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>EventDate</td>
    <td id="EventDate">

        1936-09-21

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>StartDayOfYear</td>
    <td id="StartDayOfYear">

        265

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>EndDayOfYear</td>
    <td id="EndDayOfYear">

        265

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Year</td>
    <td id="Year">

        1936

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Month</td>
    <td id="Month">

        9

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Day</td>
    <td id="Day">

        21

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>VerbatimEventDate</td>
    <td id="VerbatimEventDate">

        1936-09-21

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>HigherGeography</td>
    <td id="HigherGeography">

        Asia | India | Kashmir | Ladakh |  |  |  |

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Continent</td>
    <td id="Continent">

        Asia

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Country</td>
    <td id="Country">

        India

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>CountryCode</td>
    <td id="CountryCode">

        IN

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>StateProvince</td>
    <td id="StateProvince">

        Jammu and Kashmir

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Locality</td>
    <td id="Locality">

        Spitug

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>VerbatimLocality</td>
    <td id="VerbatimLocality">

        Asia | India | Kashmir | Ladakh

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>VerbatimElevation</td>
    <td id="VerbatimElevation">

        3200

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>DecimalLatitude</td>
    <td id="DecimalLatitude">

        34.127861

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>DecimalLongitude</td>
    <td id="DecimalLongitude">

        77.52408

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>GeodeticDatum</td>
    <td id="GeodeticDatum">

        WGS84

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>CoordinateUncertaintyInMeters</td>
    <td id="CoordinateUncertaintyInMeters">

        3000

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>GeoreferencedBy</td>
    <td id="GeoreferencedBy">

        Kadambi, Hemanth

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>GeoreferencedDate</td>
    <td id="GeoreferencedDate">

        2010-04-19

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>GeoreferenceProtocol</td>
    <td id="GeoreferenceProtocol">

        not recorded

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>GeoreferenceVerificationStatus</td>
    <td id="GeoreferenceVerificationStatus">

        requires verification

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>GeoreferenceRemarks</td>
    <td id="GeoreferenceRemarks">

        Source: Google Earth

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>ScientificName</td>
    <td id="ScientificName">

        Oriolus oriolus

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>HigherClassification</td>
    <td id="HigherClassification">

        Animalia | Chordata | Aves | Passeriformes | Oriolidae | Oriolus

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Kingdom</td>
    <td id="Kingdom">

        Animalia

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Phylum</td>
    <td id="Phylum">

        Chordata

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Class</td>
    <td id="Class">

        Aves

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Order</td>
    <td id="Order">

        Passeriformes

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Family</td>
    <td id="Family">

        Oriolidae

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>Genus</td>
    <td id="Genus">

        Oriolus

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>SpecificEpithet</td>
    <td id="SpecificEpithet">

        oriolus

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>TaxonRank</td>
    <td id="TaxonRank">

        species

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>NomenclaturalCode</td>
    <td id="NomenclaturalCode">

        ICZN

    </td>
  </tr>

  <tr>
    <td>UnderivedSex</td>
    <td id="UnderivedSex">

        male

    </td>
  </tr>

</tbody>

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paintedstork commented 6 years ago

Thanks Janet, Interesting indeed - perhaps the original tag will confirm that.

thanks & best rgds Praveen

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:34 PM, Janet Hinshaw notifications@github.com wrote:

I'll check these specimens. The different collection localities on the same day is not so much of a problem. He had several parties sometimes in very different locations and everything was listed with Koelz as the collector. We tried to make an itinerary for his trips a few years ago and discovered this.

Janet Hinshaw ph: 734-764-0457 Bird Division Collection Manager fax: 734-998-0038 University of Michigan Museum of Zoology Research Museums Center 3600 Varsity Drive https://maps.google.com/?q=3600+Varsity+Drive+%0D+Ann+Arbor,+MI+48108&entry=gmail&source=g Ann Arbor, MI 48108-2228 USA

http://lsa.umich.edu/ummz/birds/ http://www.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/birds/

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Praveen J notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi there, I am a bit worried about this specimen. #146799 [previous specimen in this species] was collected by Koelz from a location 500km away. This can only mean that there is a location error in one of the specimens - or may be the date. The second, more serious implication, is on the identity of these specimens. One is tagged as O. kundoo while the other as O. oriolus. Assuming they were collected on the same day, possibly from the same site, one after another - could they be of same species?

146800 is the only hard evidence I could track till date for the

occurrence of O. oriolus within the political boundaries of India. If the ID changes to O. kundoo, then it would mean a bit of work to search to obtain any other evidence or remove it from the India checklist.

Hope you will relook at the locality and possibly on the identity of these species.

Thanks & best rgds Praveen

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You can view the original detail page <http://portal.vertnet.org/o/ummz/birds?id=urn-catalog-ummz-birds-146800

on VertNet. Here are the original record contents:

InstitutionCode UMMZ CollectionCode Birds References http://portal.vertnet.org/o/ummz/ birds?id=urn-catalog-ummz-birds-146800 BibliographicCitation University of Michigan Museum of Zoology. UMMZ Birds Collection. Record ID: urn:catalog:UMMZ:Birds:146800. Source: http://ipt.vertnet.org:8080/ ipt/resource.do?r=ummz_birds (source published on 2016-12-22) BasisOfRecord PreservedSpecimen VNType specimen DCType PhysicalObject License http://creativecommons.org/ publicdomain/zero/1.0 AccessRights http://vertnet.org/resources/norms.html InstitutionID http://grbio.org/cool/ra64-3eva CollectionID urn:lsid:biocol.org:col:34962 Modified 2016-02-09 13:13:24.0 Language en OccurrenceID urn:catalog:UMMZ:Birds:146800 CatalogNumber 146800 RecordedBy Koelz, Walter N Sex male OccurrenceStatus present Preparations Skin, Y EventDate 1936-09-21 StartDayOfYear 265 EndDayOfYear 265 Year 1936 Month 9 Day 21 VerbatimEventDate 1936-09-21 HigherGeography Asia | India | Kashmir | Ladakh | | | | Continent Asia Country India CountryCode IN StateProvince Jammu and Kashmir Locality Spitug VerbatimLocality Asia | India | Kashmir | Ladakh VerbatimElevation 3200 DecimalLatitude 34.127861 DecimalLongitude 77.52408 GeodeticDatum WGS84 CoordinateUncertaintyInMeters 3000 GeoreferencedBy Kadambi, Hemanth GeoreferencedDate 2010-04-19 GeoreferenceProtocol not recorded GeoreferenceVerificationStatus requires verification GeoreferenceRemarks Source: Google Earth ScientificName Oriolus oriolus HigherClassification Animalia | Chordata | Aves | Passeriformes | Oriolidae | Oriolus Kingdom Animalia Phylum Chordata Class Aves Order Passeriformes Family Oriolidae Genus Oriolus SpecificEpithet oriolus TaxonRank species NomenclaturalCode ICZN UnderivedSex male

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jhinshaw commented 6 years ago

I have looked at the birds. 146799 was reidentified by Pam Rasmussen, so it had originally been oriolus. Here is an image of the tag. Let me know if you want any other images.

Janet Hinshaw ph: 734-764-0457 Bird Division Collection Manager fax: 734-998-0038 University of Michigan Museum of Zoology Research Museums Center 3600 Varsity Drive Ann Arbor, MI 48108-2228 USA

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On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Praveen J notifications@github.com wrote:

Thanks Janet, Interesting indeed - perhaps the original tag will confirm that.

thanks & best rgds Praveen

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:34 PM, Janet Hinshaw notifications@github.com wrote:

I'll check these specimens. The different collection localities on the same day is not so much of a problem. He had several parties sometimes in very different locations and everything was listed with Koelz as the collector. We tried to make an itinerary for his trips a few years ago and discovered this.

Janet Hinshaw ph: 734-764-0457 <(734)%20764-0457> Bird Division Collection Manager fax: 734-998-0038 <(734)%20998-0038> University of Michigan Museum of Zoology Research Museums Center 3600 Varsity Drive https://maps.google.com/?q=3600+Varsity+Drive&entry=gmail&source=g https://maps.google.com/?q=3600+Varsity+Drive+%0D+Ann+ Arbor,+MI+48108&entry=gmail&source=g Ann Arbor, MI 48108-2228 USA

http://lsa.umich.edu/ummz/birds/ http://www.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/birds/

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Praveen J notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi there, I am a bit worried about this specimen. #146799 [previous specimen in this species] was collected by Koelz from a location 500km away. This can only mean that there is a location error in one of the specimens - or may be the date. The second, more serious implication, is on the identity of these specimens. One is tagged as O. kundoo while the other as O. oriolus. Assuming they were collected on the same day, possibly from the same site, one after another - could they be of same species?

146800 is the only hard evidence I could track till date for the

occurrence of O. oriolus within the political boundaries of India. If the ID changes to O. kundoo, then it would mean a bit of work to search to obtain any other evidence or remove it from the India checklist.

Hope you will relook at the locality and possibly on the identity of these species.

Thanks & best rgds Praveen

.....................................................

You can view the original detail page <http://portal.vertnet.org/o/ummz/birds?id=urn-catalog- ummz-birds-146800

on VertNet. Here are the original record contents:

InstitutionCode UMMZ CollectionCode Birds References http://portal.vertnet.org/o/ummz/ birds?id=urn-catalog-ummz-birds-146800 BibliographicCitation University of Michigan Museum of Zoology. UMMZ Birds Collection. Record ID: urn:catalog:UMMZ:Birds:146800. Source: http://ipt.vertnet.org:8080/ ipt/resource.do?r=ummz_birds (source published on 2016-12-22) BasisOfRecord PreservedSpecimen VNType specimen DCType PhysicalObject License http://creativecommons.org/ publicdomain/zero/1.0 AccessRights http://vertnet.org/resources/norms.html InstitutionID http://grbio.org/cool/ra64-3eva CollectionID urn:lsid:biocol.org:col:34962 Modified 2016-02-09 13:13:24.0 Language en OccurrenceID urn:catalog:UMMZ:Birds:146800 CatalogNumber 146800 RecordedBy Koelz, Walter N Sex male OccurrenceStatus present Preparations Skin, Y EventDate 1936-09-21 StartDayOfYear 265 EndDayOfYear 265 Year 1936 Month 9 Day 21 VerbatimEventDate 1936-09-21 HigherGeography Asia | India | Kashmir | Ladakh | | | | Continent Asia Country India CountryCode IN StateProvince Jammu and Kashmir Locality Spitug VerbatimLocality Asia | India | Kashmir | Ladakh VerbatimElevation 3200 DecimalLatitude 34.127861 DecimalLongitude 77.52408 GeodeticDatum WGS84 CoordinateUncertaintyInMeters 3000 GeoreferencedBy Kadambi, Hemanth GeoreferencedDate 2010-04-19 GeoreferenceProtocol not recorded GeoreferenceVerificationStatus requires verification GeoreferenceRemarks Source: Google Earth ScientificName Oriolus oriolus HigherClassification Animalia | Chordata | Aves | Passeriformes | Oriolidae | Oriolus Kingdom Animalia Phylum Chordata Class Aves Order Passeriformes Family Oriolidae Genus Oriolus SpecificEpithet oriolus TaxonRank species NomenclaturalCode ICZN UnderivedSex male

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paintedstork commented 6 years ago

Thanks a lot for checking - this is cleared (and my error, I misread the month).

thanks & best rgds Praveen

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 8:03 PM, Janet Hinshaw notifications@github.com wrote:

I have looked at the birds. 146799 was reidentified by Pam Rasmussen, so it had originally been oriolus. Here is an image of the tag. Let me know if you want any other images.

Janet Hinshaw ph: 734-764-0457 Bird Division Collection Manager fax: 734-998-0038 University of Michigan Museum of Zoology Research Museums Center 3600 Varsity Drive https://maps.google.com/?q=3600+Varsity+Drive+%0D+Ann+Arbor,+MI+48108&entry=gmail&source=g Ann Arbor, MI 48108-2228 USA

http://lsa.umich.edu/ummz/birds/ http://www.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/birds/

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Praveen J notifications@github.com wrote:

Thanks Janet, Interesting indeed - perhaps the original tag will confirm that.

thanks & best rgds Praveen

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:34 PM, Janet Hinshaw <notifications@github.com

wrote:

I'll check these specimens. The different collection localities on the same day is not so much of a problem. He had several parties sometimes in very different locations and everything was listed with Koelz as the collector. We tried to make an itinerary for his trips a few years ago and discovered this.

Janet Hinshaw ph: 734-764-0457 <(734)%20764-0457> Bird Division Collection Manager fax: 734-998-0038 <(734)%20998-0038> University of Michigan Museum of Zoology Research Museums Center 3600 Varsity Drive https://maps.google.com/?q=3600+Varsity+Drive&entry=gmail&source=g https://maps.google.com/?q=3600+Varsity+Drive&entry=gmail&source=g https://maps.google.com/?q=3600+Varsity+Drive+%0D+Ann+ Arbor,+MI+48108&entry=gmail&source=g

Ann Arbor, MI 48108-2228 USA

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On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Praveen J notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi there, I am a bit worried about this specimen. #146799 [previous specimen in this species] was collected by Koelz from a location 500km away. This can only mean that there is a location error in one of the specimens - or may be the date. The second, more serious implication, is on the identity of these specimens. One is tagged as O. kundoo while the other as O. oriolus. Assuming they were collected on the same day, possibly from the same site, one after another - could they be of same species?

146800 is the only hard evidence I could track till date for the

occurrence of O. oriolus within the political boundaries of India. If the ID changes to O. kundoo, then it would mean a bit of work to search to obtain any other evidence or remove it from the India checklist.

Hope you will relook at the locality and possibly on the identity of these species.

Thanks & best rgds Praveen

.....................................................

You can view the original detail page <http://portal.vertnet.org/o/ummz/birds?id=urn-catalog- ummz-birds-146800

on VertNet. Here are the original record contents:

InstitutionCode UMMZ CollectionCode Birds References http://portal.vertnet.org/o/ummz/ birds?id=urn-catalog-ummz-birds-146800 BibliographicCitation University of Michigan Museum of Zoology. UMMZ Birds Collection. Record ID: urn:catalog:UMMZ:Birds:146800. Source: http://ipt.vertnet.org:8080/ ipt/resource.do?r=ummz_birds (source published on 2016-12-22) BasisOfRecord PreservedSpecimen VNType specimen DCType PhysicalObject License http://creativecommons.org/ publicdomain/zero/1.0 AccessRights http://vertnet.org/resources/norms.html InstitutionID http://grbio.org/cool/ra64-3eva CollectionID urn:lsid:biocol.org:col:34962 Modified 2016-02-09 13:13:24.0 Language en OccurrenceID urn:catalog:UMMZ:Birds:146800 CatalogNumber 146800 RecordedBy Koelz, Walter N Sex male OccurrenceStatus present Preparations Skin, Y EventDate 1936-09-21 StartDayOfYear 265 EndDayOfYear 265 Year 1936 Month 9 Day 21 VerbatimEventDate 1936-09-21 HigherGeography Asia | India | Kashmir | Ladakh | | | | Continent Asia Country India CountryCode IN StateProvince Jammu and Kashmir Locality Spitug VerbatimLocality Asia | India | Kashmir | Ladakh VerbatimElevation 3200 DecimalLatitude 34.127861 DecimalLongitude 77.52408 GeodeticDatum WGS84 CoordinateUncertaintyInMeters 3000 GeoreferencedBy Kadambi, Hemanth GeoreferencedDate 2010-04-19 GeoreferenceProtocol not recorded GeoreferenceVerificationStatus requires verification GeoreferenceRemarks Source: Google Earth ScientificName Oriolus oriolus HigherClassification Animalia | Chordata | Aves | Passeriformes | Oriolidae | Oriolus Kingdom Animalia Phylum Chordata Class Aves Order Passeriformes Family Oriolidae Genus Oriolus SpecificEpithet oriolus TaxonRank species NomenclaturalCode ICZN UnderivedSex male

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