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Overriding the East Asian Auto Spacing behavior #869

Open kojiishi opened 4 weeks ago

kojiishi commented 4 weeks ago

This is a new topic split from @macnmm's comment on May 7 to #766.

Generally my stance is that if you wish to override the layout engine's behavior, that doing so at the plain text layer is a bit strange -- the layout engine should provide overrides for any controversial behaviors, should they be implementing those behaviors properly.

kojiishi commented 4 weeks ago

/cc @asmusf

kojiishi commented 4 weeks ago

The 3.3.2 Space Characters of the current proposal states that:

It also allows authors to override the algorithm when high-level protocols or applications don’t provide a way for authors to express their intent to override this algorithm, such as plain text files.

so if I understand correctly, we're in consensus that "the layout engine should provide overrides", and your feedback is about whether to provide a way to override for when a mechanism to override doesn't exist. Is this correct?

I agree this is a valid discussion point, thank you for raising this. I'm fine to remove it if doing so is benefitial, but since you wrote "at the plain text layer is a bit strage", we're not finding any real harms in this point, and there are precedences, I prefer keeping it.

Precedences to control some line layout behaviors in plain text files:

The proposal defines that the auto spacing is similar to kerning, so characters in the Zs generaly category affecting the behavior is following these precedences.

Also, having overrides in plain text files helps document interchange across different high-level protocols or applications. The "interchange" is one of the most important goals of this proposal, to make content interchangeable across high-level protocols, applications, and platforms. I think it's also what @asmusf was talking about, to provide a way for authors to express their intent across applications.

After reading these facts, if you still feel a bit strange and want to be strong about it, please let me know.