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REFPROP v10 Viscosity for Fluoromethane (CH3F) #680

Closed AndrewPrice775 closed 4 weeks ago

AndrewPrice775 commented 1 month ago

I'm wondering if there is a mistake in the REFPROP viscosity output for CH3F (R41), Fluoromethane.

REFPROP OUTPUT = mu = 10.955 uPa*s P= 0.1 MPa T = 298.15 K

From [1,2]: mu = 11.79 uPa*s

A ~7.5% difference between the values.

Versions

REFPROP Version: Version 10.0. Reference Database # 23 Operating System and Version: Windows 10 Access Method: Coolprop Python with REFPROP backend and REFPROP in Excel.

References:

[1] Dunlop, Peter J. (1994). "Viscosities of a series of gaseous fluorocarbons at 25 °C". The Journal of Chemical Physics. 100 (4): 3149–3151. doi:10.1063/1.466405 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_viscosities#Organohalides:~:text=Fluoromethane,%5B12%5D

nist-aharvey commented 1 month ago

If you look in the GUI under Substance, Fluid Information, to see the method used to compute viscosity, you will see that it is just using a corresponding-states model because there was not enough experimental data to make a real correlation (it looks to me like there are no experimental liquid-phase viscosities at all, and only a few points for the vapor). It gives the deviations of the few experimental data sources, including 7.2% from Dunlop. That amount of difference would not be unexpected from a corresponding-states estimation technique. Since you do have some vapor-phase data, it might not be unreasonable to shift the REFPROP results up by 7% or something if you were using the vapor viscosities (especially if the data from other sources like Casparian and Kochubey deviate similarly).

Edited to add: I see that the paper of Dunlop reported measurements for a number of fluids, including well-known things such as methane. So the accuracy of his methane and ethane values would be a good indication of whether you should trust his result for fluoromethane enough to adjust REFPROP vapor values to match it.

ianhbell commented 4 weeks ago

I should mention in this discussion that the entropy scaling approach works very well for refrigerants: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/acs.jced.0c01009 . That's not (yet) implemented in REFPROP, but the code is provided in the SI of the paper.

AndrewPrice775 commented 4 weeks ago

Thank you both for your comments. Looking forward to the new scaling technique in REPROP. I'll implement that technique and see if it matches our expectations.