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542 information relating to copyright status #215

Closed CECSpecialistI closed 1 day ago

CECSpecialistI commented 2 years ago

https://github.com/uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA/blob/main/Working%20Documents/5XX.csv

pennylenger commented 9 months ago

@CECSpecialistI Hi, I have some question about the form. Why are Indicators for subfields D, E, G, I, J, K, N, P, Q '*', which means it doesn't matter, but for other other subfields, they are separated listed based on the first indicator 'No information provided/private/not private.'"?

CECSpecialistI commented 8 months ago

Hi Penny, I am not sure why some subfields are differentiated by private/not private and others are not. Probably the entire field needs to be mapped differently based on the presence of a "private" indicator. Remember that the mappings we are starting with are generated by a mapping script and are not always logical or correct. Does that answer your question?

Crystal

lake44me commented 8 months ago

@pennylenger @CECSpecialistI The spreadsheet set-up just assumed there could be a separate mapping for each indicator value, but I believe Crystal is right. There's another field that has an indicator value of private/not private/no info, it's 561, see the discussion in that issue https://github.com/uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA/issues/225#issuecomment-1284306425 and example. It's the only case I know of yet where we created a "metadata work" and reified a triple statement in order to give it a category of work -> private statement. How that could play out with this tag and all its subfields I leave for y'all to figure out :-)

lake44me commented 8 months ago

oops

AdamSchiff commented 8 months ago

Deborah,

Here's an record that might be interesting to analyze:

LDR 02987cam a2200589 i 4500 001 99336875201301451 005 20231220124302.0 006 m o d 007 cr bn||||||abp 007 cr bn||||||ada 008 150219t18971897mau o 000 p eng c 019 |a 1194123652 035 |a (OCoLC)903894204 |z (OCoLC)1194123652 035 |a (OCoLC)ocn903894204 040 |a OCLCE |b eng |e rda |e pn |c OCLCE |d OCLCQ |d OCLCO |d OCLCA |d HUL |d OCLCQ |d OCLCO |d OCLCL |d NTE |d WAU 041 0 |3 Lycidas |a eng |h eng 041 1 |3 Epitaph on Bion |a eng |h grc 042 |a dlr |a pcc 046 1 |3 Lycidas |k 1637 |2 edtf 046 1 |3 Epitaph on Bion |k -00 049 |a WAUW 050 4 |a PR3558 |b .A1 1897 082 04 |a 821.47 100 1 |a Milton, John, |d 1608-1674. |1 https://id.oclc.org/worldcat/entity/E39PBJfCxg7wC9qpDcMrCdtFrq 245 10 |a Lycidas / |c by John Milton ; edited by John Phelps Fruit, Ph.D. (Leipsic). 264 _1 |a Boston, U.S.A. ; |a London : |b Ginn & Company, Publishers, |c 1897. 264 _4 |c ©1897 300 |a 1 online resource (xvi, 29 pages) 336 |a text |b txt |2 rdacontent 337 |a computer |b c |2 rdamedia 338 |a online resource |b cr |2 rdacarrier 347 |a text file |2 rdaft 533 |a Electronic reproduction. |b [Place of publication not identified] : |c HathiTrust Digital Library, |d 2015. |5 MiAaHDL 538 _ |a Master and use copy. Digital master created according to Benchmark for Faithful Digital Reproductions of Monographs and Serials, Version 1. Digital Library Federation, December 2002. |u http://purl.oclc.org/DLF/benchrepro0212 |5 MiAaHDL 583 1 |a digitized |c 2015 |h HathiTrust Digital Library |l committed to preserve |2 pda |5 MiAaHDL 500 |a "A verse translation of the Epitaph on Bion is appended for comparative study"--Page vii. 500 |a Translation of the Epitaph on Bion is by the Rev. J. Banks [i.e., James Davies]. 588 0 |a Print version record. 505 2 |a Appendix. The epitaph of Bion, a loving herdsman. 506 |3 Use copy |f Restrictions unspecified |2 star |5 MiAaHDL 655 _7 |a Monodies (Poetry) |2 lcgft 655 7 |a Pastoral elegies. |2 lcgft 730 02 |i Container of (expression): |a Epitaph on Bion. |l English. 776 08 |i Print version: |a Milton, John, 1608-1674. |t Lycidas. |d Boston, U.S.A., London, Ginn & Company, 1897 |w (DLC) 12038206 |w (OCoLC)11886045 740 02 |a Epitaph of Bion, a loving herdsman. 700 1 |a Fruit, John Phelps, |d 1855-1943, |e editor. |1 https://id.oclc.org/worldcat/entity/E39PCjxmmH8RFcmBRBjXVF48YP 700 1_ |a Davies, James, |d 1820-1883, |e translator. |1 https://id.oclc.org/worldcat/entity/E39PBJqbj7xgd6qVVq38GmjDMP 856 40 |3 HathiTrust Digital Library, Full view |u http://catalog.hathitrust.org/api/volumes/oclc/11886045.html 856 40 |3 New York Public Library |u https://drb-qa.nypl.org/read/3775132 856 40 |3 Google Books |u https://www.google.com/books/edition/Lycidas/c5Axa_z4HQYC 856 40 |3 Google Books |u https://books.google.com/books?id=c5Axa_z4HQYC 994 |a C0 |b WAU

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cspayne commented 1 month ago

@AdamSchiff @GordonDunsire @CECSpecialistI Hello! I have a few questions regarding the mapping for 542:

  1. MARC documentation says to record "undetermined" if research was done but no value was found (subfields a, d, k, l, m). We've made the decision to not map "unknown" values, does this include "undetermined"? These would be included in a larger note on manifestation and would be contextualized with the subfield label, so it would be indicating that research was done but no information was available. Do we map these?

  2. Subfield f - copyright statement is defined as "copyright statement as it is presented on the resource." and is currently (perhaps incorrectly) mapped to "has manifestation copyright statement". I was reviewing old meeting notes/recordings and it seems that we have decided not to use any manifestation statement properties, as we don't have access to the original source material. Am I understanding that correctly? Should this mapping be changed to "has note on manifestation"?

  3. For date subfields (g, i, j) does the transform need to account for any possible punctuation like we do with 264, such as square brackets and copyright symbols and remove those?

CECSpecialistI commented 1 month ago

@AdamSchiff @GordonDunsire @CECSpecialistI Hello! I have a few questions regarding the mapping for 542:

  1. MARC documentation says to record "undetermined" if research was done but no value was found (subfields a, d, k, l, m). We've made the decision to not map "unknown" values, does this include "undetermined"? These would be included in a larger note on manifestation and would be contextualized with the subfield label, so it would be indicating that research was done but no information was available. Do we map these?
  2. Subfield f - copyright statement is defined as "copyright statement as it is presented on the resource." and is currently (perhaps incorrectly) mapped to "has manifestation copyright statement". I was reviewing old meeting notes/recordings and it seems that we have decided not to use any manifestation statement properties, as we don't have access to the original source material. Am I understanding that correctly? Should this mapping be changed to "has note on manifestation"?
  3. For date subfields (g, i, j) does the transform need to account for any possible punctuation like we do with 264, such as square brackets and copyright symbols and remove those?
  1. I think that since these are notes, it's fine to map values of "undetermined" in this context.
  2. I think Subfield f is an exact mapping to has manifestation copyright statement. This is the copyright statement as it appears on the original source material, in this case, so we do have access to the original source material.
  3. Copyright symbols are present, at least. I'm not sure about square brackets or any other punctuation. If we're recording values as unstructured descriptions, I think they are ok the way they are. If we were recording timespans and using a specific SES we may need to make changes.
GordonDunsire commented 1 month ago

@cspayne:

  1. Agree with @CECSpecialistI.

2: Agree with @CECSpecialistI.

  1. It's a note, so there is no need to remove anything.
CECSpecialistI commented 2 weeks ago

is the code still on hold here? I think we should be ok.

cspayne commented 2 weeks ago

@CECSpecialistI I think we are good. I have not removed "code on hold" because I have not gone in to update the code yet.