Closed valinet closed 2 years ago
Gaurav-Original-ClassicShellTester
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2 years ago Could also support switching PowerShell by default to Command Prompt:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced] "DontUsePowerShellOnWinX"=dword:00000001
Although once PowerShell opens in Windows Terminal, one can easily open Command Prompt in a new tab with 2 more clicks.
ErickWei
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2 years ago Can we change taskbar buttons width after disable taskbar buttons grouping? Just same as taskbar buttons grouped? I can do this with 7++ Taskbar on win10. it's more efficient
valinet
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2 years ago Idk, try and see, I don't use 7++ Taskbar. If it does not work, I can't do much about it, the developer should look and try to figure out what changed. I just enable the old taskbar, I don't change anything about it.
Gaurav-Original-ClassicShellTester
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2 years ago Can we change taskbar buttons width after disable taskbar buttons grouping? Just same as taskbar buttons grouped? I can do this with 7++ Taskbar on win10. it's more efficient
7+ Taskbar Tweaker works perfectly once ExplorerPatcher enables the classic Taskbar so everything works as expected. Even StartIsBack++'s Taskbar modifications work (bringing back 32 x 32 sized icons, reducing the margins/padding between taskbar icons and tray icons, the theme engine (ms styles/visual styles) for buttons to get the 3D pressed look. All of 7+ Taskbar Tweaker's advanced options also work.
ErickWei
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2 years ago Can we change taskbar buttons width after disable taskbar buttons grouping? Just same as taskbar buttons grouped? I can do this with 7++ Taskbar on win10. it's more efficient
7+ Taskbar Tweaker works perfectly once ExplorerPatcher enables the classic Taskbar so everything works as expected. Even StartIsBack++'s Taskbar modifications work (bringing back 32 x 32 sized icons, reducing the margins/padding between taskbar icons and tray icons, the theme engine (ms styles/visual styles) for buttons to get the 3D pressed look. All of 7+ Taskbar Tweaker's advanced options also work.
How to run 7+ Taskbar Tweaker on win11? @Gaurav-Original-ClassicShellTester
Gaurav-Original-ClassicShellTester
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2 years ago Just get the latest beta version meant for Windows 10 from its website. The Classic Taskbar on Windows 11 is the same one present in Windows 10 21H1/21H2. Once you enable the classic Taskbar, it should "just work".
If it warns that a particular version isn't supported and asks you for a code to enable experimental support, make a donation to the project and RamMichaeL sends you an experimental support code for beta versions to remove the warning at startup.
ErickWei
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2 years ago Perfect! Fisrtly i set NoTaskGrouping=0,and then set Don't group on 7++ Taskbar.
See the two Edge buttons....
Gaurav-Original-ClassicShellTester
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2 years ago What is the setting to customize the number of "Most used" apps in the Start menu apps list, which the change log for 22000.168.0.14 mentions?
valinet
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2 years ago @Gaurav-Original-ClassicShellTester It is:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced]
"Start_MaximumFrequentApps"=dword:00000006P.S. We probably need a written documentation for this project... lots of stuff to write about.
BraINstinct0
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2 years ago The wiki tab on this github repo could be of some use. like,
valinet
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2 years ago Yeah, indeed. If you'd like, you can write and organize some stuff in there, make a PR, I will review it and have it integrated in the upstream.
BraINstinct0
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2 years ago Just get the latest beta version meant for Windows 10 from its website. The Classic Taskbar on Windows 11 is the same one present in Windows 10 21H1/21H2. Once you enable the classic Taskbar, it should "just work".
If it warns that a particular version isn't supported and asks you for a code to enable experimental support, make a donation to the project and RamMichaeL sends you an experimental support code for beta versions to remove the warning at startup.
(note that the language setting is in Korean)
Currently the classic taskbar is enabled as below,
but this doesn't work, saying that library couldn't be loaded. :(
polygraphene
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2 years ago Can we move taskbar to left side of the screen? I tried to change StuckRects3 registry key, however this key will be written back to default when restart explorer.
Gaurav-Original-ClassicShellTester
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2 years ago Can we move taskbar to left side of the screen? I tried to change StuckRects3 registry key, however this key will be written back to default when restart explorer.
To move the Taskbar to the left, try this. Once the classic Taskbar is enabled, right click it and Unlock it. Then just drag from an empty area of the taskbar to the left edge of the screen. Then lock it again.
polygraphene
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2 years ago Awesome! I never knew that. Thanks!
Mervinj82
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2 years ago Hi is there a way to get the new win11 start icon back after using your DLL? Also is there a way to hide labels in the taskbar (so its just the icons like in wins11) without using 7+ Taskbar Tweaker? Thanks
valinet
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2 years ago Hi is there a way to get the new win11 start icon back after using your DLL? Also is there a way to hide labels in the taskbar (so its just the icons like in wins11) without using 7+ Taskbar Tweaker? Thanks
Have you checked out the GUI? Literally the second and third option in the "Taskbar" section. As for the Start button image, currently the DLL does not offer any way to change that, maybe there are utilities online that help you do this.
Mervinj82
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2 years ago Hi is there a way to get the new win11 start icon back after using your DLL? Also is there a way to hide labels in the taskbar (so its just the icons like in wins11) without using 7+ Taskbar Tweaker? Thanks
Have you checked out the GUI? Literally the second and third option in the "Taskbar" section. As for the Start button image, currently the DLL does not offer any way to change that, maybe there are utilities online that help you do this.
Yes I did try these options out. It un-combines the taskbar but the labels (the names/titles of the apps) are still there [see screenshot below]. I'd like to remove them and just leave the icon. Thanks
valinet
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2 years ago This program does not currently include the functionality you are asking for. Maybe I will be implement it in the future, but since 7+ Taskbar Tweaker is very robust and fairly modular, why not use that?
Mervinj82
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2 years ago This program does not currently include the functionality you are asking for. Maybe I will be implement it in the future, but since 7+ Taskbar Tweaker is very robust and fairly modular, why not use that?
That would be great. Id even be ok with having the original Windows 11 look but with just the taskbar items un-grouped if you knew of a way or software to do this. Regarding 7+ Taskbar Tweaker, there is only a beta version and it requires an access code which can only be acquired by donating through PayPal or Bitcoin which I do not currently have.
valinet
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2 years ago But which is the option to enable the behavior you want with 7TT?
Mervinj82
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2 years ago I wouldn't know I haven't tried it. I saw the commentators above getting the results im looking (which is to get rid of the labels in the taskbar) using 7+ TT.
valinet
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2 years ago I don't understand, the beta version on the site seems to work, and I had to enter no code. And it just does not seem to offert the option you mention. Just... you know... try to install the program? It doesn't bite...
Mervinj82
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2 years ago I don't understand, the beta version on the site seems to work, and I had to enter no code. And it just does not seem to offert the option you mention. Just... you know... try to install the program? It doesn't bite...
No need to be patronizing my friend. I think it's pointless to download a software if the author says an access code will be required. Maybe he changed it for the newer release who knows. Anyways if it doesn't offer that option then no problem. I'll wait for an update whether is from you updating the DLL or somethingm from microsoft. Here is the post I read from the author (https://rammichael.com/7-taskbar-tweaker-on-windows-11-with-windows-10s-taskbar)
valinet
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2 years ago I am not patronizing anyone, I was just saying, it seems more logical to me to try all the avenues you could try. Maybe the blog post is outdated. For me, it didn't ask for any code, it just runs and seems to do its job (I added seconds to the clock, for example). I haven't tested anything. Also, did not see a box to enter any code. No problem... yeah, it is not my problem, you asked about this, and I was looking out, trying to understand exactly what you want. And I have yet to fully grasp it, as neither the blog post, nor you provided any evidence of this supposed feature actually working. I was just curious to see how it works. I don't understand why you need to feel attacked, I think it is plenty logical to try things yourself rather than follow some people in the comments which may even have been talking about something else... even if it had an access code, maybe you could type "0000" and it worked. It's always worth giving a shot rather than nothing... in my opinion, at least.
Mervinj82
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2 years ago Thanks for your lengthy response but I'm not really here to argue and I appreciate your work and you taking time to try to help. Like you said the feature I wanted is not available as yet... that's no problem, I'll wait for when it is. 👍
valinet
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2 years ago Thanks for your lengthy response but I'm not really here to argue and I appreciate your work and you taking time to try to help. Like you said the feature I wanted is not available as yet... that's no problem, I'll wait for when it is. 👍
Yeah, I don't want to get in an argument, as well. Sorry if I pissed you off, mainly I was trying to help, and still would like to, hopefully I can find some reference and figure out what this is about. Thanks and hopefully this gets implemented somewhere.
Mervinj82
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2 years ago Thanks for your lengthy response but I'm not really here to argue and I appreciate your work and you taking time to try to help. Like you said the feature I wanted is not available as yet... that's no problem, I'll wait for when it is. +1
Yeah, I don't want to get in an argument, as well. Sorry if I pissed you off, mainly I was trying to help, and still would like to, hopefully I can find some reference and figure out what this is about. Thanks and hopefully this gets implemented somewhere.
Apologies likewise. N no im not pissed off. I guess we just misunderstood each other or something but I appreciate u. Basically what I wanted was to have the labels in the taskbar removed and just the icons would remain. Hope Ive explained better this time. That's why I circled them in my screenshot above in my earlier posts. So if possible it might be a great feature to have in your next update. Keep up the good work.
valinet
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2 years ago Yeah, to be honest, my reply was kind of jerky, I admit. Idk why. Now I feel deeply sorry about it. I had quite some bad time in the last few hours, battled with some issues in the code that kept me awake, been sitting in front of the computer screen for a while. I know, it's no excuse, but sometimes it makes one behave weirdly, the tiredness. Anyway, I will look into it eventually, I was trying to remember, I think I played with something like this years ago but don't really remember where or when or with that tool and it pisses me off even more, the fact that I don't remember. Anyhow, thanks for not getting mad on me, and apologies again.
Mervinj82
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2 years ago Nah don't worry about I've been there before so I get it. But we good. I'll keep an eye on your updates so hopefully I'll catch it if you happen to add the feature. Have a blessed evening man and get some sleep. lol 👍👍
Gaurav-Original-ClassicShellTester
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2 years ago Is there a way to hide labels in the taskbar (so its just the icons like in wins11) without using 7+ Taskbar Tweaker? Thanks
As far as I know, hiding labels is a Windows setting since Windows 7 (2009). I believe the setting is: HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced TaskbarGlomLevel DWORD 0.
Hiding labels does not require 7+ Taskbar Tweaker. Unfortunately Windows 7 and all later releases were bad enough to merge hiding/showing labels with button combining into 1 setting. So if you want to hide labels but disable forced combining+grouping of apps into 1 button or lumping them together based on AppID, first set the Windows setting so labels are hidden, restart Explorer.exe/log off-log on/refresh group policy whatever etc and then use 7+TT to disable combining+grouping.
If you donate to 7+ Taskbar Tweaker, you get your experimental support code in your email which will work for all future early/beta releases. If you don't wish to donate, you can wait just a little bit until the non-beta completely free version is out specifically with support for Windows 11. Although I don't know/haven't tested if the current stable release version of 7+ Taskbar Tweaker works with the classic Taskbar on Windows 11, it should since it is compatible with Windows 10 21H1/21H2 already. I generally prefer the latest beta and I have donated to the 7+TT project.
valinet
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2 years ago Nah don't worry about I've been there before so I get it. But we good. I'll keep an eye on your updates so hopefully I'll catch it if you happen to add the feature. Have a blessed evening man and get some sleep. lol 👍👍
Indeed, @Gaurav-Original-ClassicShellTester is right, it works the way he described. Again, the beta version on the web site works just fine for me and does not ask for any code, and I was able to test what he suggested as well. First of all, yeah, set taskbar to "Always combine, hide labels", then it 7TT choose "Don't combine grouped buttons" in "Combining" and even "Don't group" in "Grouping" and then it is basically exactly what you asked for. Yeah, counterintuitive, but it works. Thanks @Gaurav-Original-ClassicShellTester.
Mervinj82
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2 years ago Hey guys so I just got done trying this and it WORKS. Thanks for taking time out to help. Only thing I'm missing is to change the Start icon cause I rather the Win11 one. I've looked online but haven't come across a way to do this yet. If you know of a way or come across something please put it in this thread here. Thanks again. 👍
valinet
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2 years ago Hey guys so I just got done trying this and it WORKS. Thanks for taking time out to help. Only thing I'm missing is to change the Start icon cause I rather the Win11 one. I've looked online but haven't come across a way to do this yet. If you know of a way or come across something please put it in this thread here. Thanks again. 👍
I will try to implement this in a future update, but idk how long it will take or when exactly will it arrive. Thanks.
Mervinj82
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2 years ago I will try to implement this in a future update, but idk how long it will take or when exactly will it arrive. Thanks. Niiice. Looking forward to it. 🙂
BraINstinct0
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2 years ago Hey guys so I just got done trying this and it WORKS. Thanks for taking time out to help. Only thing I'm missing is to change the Start icon cause I rather the Win11 one. I've looked online but haven't come across a way to do this yet. If you know of a way or come across something please put it in this thread here. Thanks again. 👍
IIRC as of Win10 1903, registry Resource Edit hack to change windows start menu icon was blocked, requiring third party tools.(Not sure if it's impossible or just not yet done)
Icon itself seems to be here-C:\Windows\System32\@WLOGO_48x48.png.(Win10 logo not 11)
Don't think this would help but leaving this here.
valinet
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2 years ago What registry hack? Tell me, maybe it is still in the binary.
BraINstinct0
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2 years ago Edit of my previous comment: That was from reference of my (very very dirty) memos on my windows editing; and the problem is, it seems that I mistook resource editing as a registry hack.(I do know the difference now - but back then, well I didn't.) Quick search done now, what I did(using third party tools) back then was 1) For win7/win8, the resource edit done on explorer.exe does the trick. This 'Resource Hacker' thing is what I used IIRC, which I took as 'registry hack'. It was not, my mistake. 2) For Win10, however, doesn't seem to be the case. Sorry for the confusion.
OnWingsOfValor
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2 years ago I'm having an issue where the Windows 10 style Window Switcher doesn't recognize some open windows - most notably Discord, but it also seems to be hit and miss with open Thunderbird email windows as well. It seems to pick them up fine switching to NT style, but if I could have it in the 10, that'd be preferable.
BraINstinct0
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2 years ago NotABug™, but the below happens(seems related to logic). 1) Set to Win10 style window switcher 2) Have Desktop turned off 3) Have no window open 4) Alt+Tab gives 'empty' black square.
valinet
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2 years ago NotABug™, but the below happens(seems related to logic).
1. Set to Win10 style window switcher 2. Have Desktop turned off 3. Have no window open 4. Alt+Tab gives 'empty' black square.
Yeah, forgot about that, I fixed it. I will publish an update soon™, thank you!
BraINstinct0
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2 years ago For those who are willing to move windows 11 taskbar(though I belive you'd already know this by now): https://www.techworm.net/2021/10/move-taskbar-windows-11.html A registry edit does the job.(believe me, it's registry edit for real this time ;) )
Here is a list of common registry settings you can make in order to set various options of the taskbar, as you could in Windows 10 from the GUI. Restart Explorer after changing any of them for the effect to take place. To apply, copy the text to a text file, save it as
something.regand then open it.About News and Interests The "News and Interests" taskbar button cannot be restored. It has been entirely removed from the code. Or rather, maybe it was never added to the Explorer version in the branch from which Windows 11 was created. Anyway, when comparing
explorer.exefrom 10 to 11, "News and interests" is missing entirely, it's not merely neutered like theWin+Xmenu.Enable missing system tray icons This is actually not a registry tweak. Instead, open Run
Win+Rand type this:In the window that appears, pick the system icons that you want to show in the tray and confirm with OK.
Disable taskbar buttons grouping
or
0 = Always combine, 1 = Combine when taskbar is full, 2 = Never combine
Enable taskbar on other monitors
Behavior of taskbar button on multiple monitors
0 = Show taskbar buttons on all taskbars 1 = Show taskbar buttons on main taskbar and taskbar where window is open 2 = Show taskbar buttons on taskbar where window is open
Small taskbar icons
Hide Cortana button
Hide Task View button
Hide Search box or Search icon
0 = disabled, 1 = show search icon, 2 = show search box
Change default action of power button in Start This is useful in Windows 7-like menus like StartIsBack, OpenShell, also determines the default in the "Shut Down Windows" window (Alt+F4 on the desktop).
dword:00000100= Switch userdword:00000001= Sign outdword:00000010= Sleepdword:00000040= Hibernatedword:00000002= Shut downdword:00000004= RestartShow Start menu on monitor where the mouse is located when pressing the Windows key
0 = Enabled (Start menu shows on the monitor where the mouse is located) 1 or not created = Disabled (Start menu always shows on the first monitor)
Show Command Prompt instead of PowerShell in Win+X menu
Open Start at logon
Here is a list of common registry settings you can make in order to set various options of the taskbar, as you could in Windows 10 from the GUI. Restart Explorer after changing any of them for the effect to take place. To apply, copy the text to a text file, save it as
something.regand then open it.Enable missing system tray icons This is actually not a registry tweak. Instead, open Run
Win+Rand type this:In the window that appears, pick the system icons that you want to show in the tray and confirm with OK.
Disable taskbar buttons grouping
or
0 = Always combine, 1 = Combine when taskbar is full, 2 = Never combine
Enable taskbar on other monitors
Behavior of taskbar button on multiple monitors
0 = Show taskbar buttons on all taskbars 1 = Show taskbar buttons on main taskbar and taskbar where window is open 2 = Show taskbar buttons on taskbar where window is open
Small taskbar icons
Hide Cortana button
Hide Task View button
Hide Search box or Search icon
0 = disabled, 1 = show search icon, 2 = show search box
Change default action of power button in Start This is useful in Windows 7-like menus like StartIsBack, OpenShell, also determines the default in the "Shut Down Windows" window (Alt+F4 on the desktop).
dword:00000100= Switch userdword:00000001= Sign outdword:00000010= Sleepdword:00000040= Hibernatedword:00000002= Shut downdword:00000004= RestartShow Start menu on monitor where the mouse is located when pressing the Windows key
0 = Enabled (Start menu shows on the monitor where the mouse is located) 1 or not created = Disabled (Start menu always shows on the first monitor)
Show Command Prompt instead of PowerShell in Win+X menu
Open Start directly to All apps
Maximum number of apps to show in the Most used list in Start
Enable/disable Windows version watermark on the desktop
Disable new command bar in Explorer (and alternate way to disable the immersive context menu in Explorer) Credit: Reddit thread
Disable new context menu:
Restore new context menu:
Disable Explorer command bar:
Restore Explorer command bar:
Basically, it overrides the values in HKLM which specify where the code for the COM components responsible for the new immersive context menu and the new command bar are located, providing empty values (for path and the threading model) so that Explorer fails to load the aforementioned components and the code falls back to the old code path where the ribbon or command bar is used. A very smart approach, I might add.
Disable / enable modern search box in File Explorer
Disable:
Enable: