weapon / Armor Defective?

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I am currently using a Steel Sword Ap-4 / Attack chance 24% / Attack Damage 3-7 
this weapon is the best over all across the board I have found. It was very 
expensive.
I have just downloaded and already beat the new monsters and completed the 
quest's. The weapons I got were Flagstones pride Ap-4 / Attack chance 21% 
Attack damage 1-6 / Crit - 10% Crit multiplier 2% /// Wolf pack animal hide 
Attack chance (minus) -15%?? Block 2% Damage resistance 1 /// Jinxed ring - 
9%?? Block Damage resistance 1 /// I wanted to make sure these were not errors. 
It seems strange that they don't work the same as the first weapon or that its 
not any better. Or that they have - minus % not pluses. Making sure thought it 
might be a glitch in my opinion. Thank you for your time. Great game other wise.

Original issue reported on code.google.com by johnmagu...@gmail.com on 21 Dec 2010 at 11:17

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Items can indeed have -X% stat and some do.
Examples of these include "Wolfpack 's animal hide", "Jinxed ring of damage 
resistance" and "Fine gloves of swift attack".
Not sure if thats a hyphen or a minus character you put with Flagstone's pride, 
but it has +10% Crit.

If you got an item with -X% stat and you are not getting the reduction, then 
please specify.
How does what not work like the starter weapon (Wooden club) ?

The more details Oscar can get with a bug report, the faster he can fix it.

Original comment by kims...@gmail.com on 21 Dec 2010 at 11:45

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Defective?? Again just to clarify, that I am assuming that where the steel 
sword cost more than 1,000 gold and its a 3-7 damage weapon, that for sure the 
weapons I just got would have pluses next to the % not a minus sign. Arguably 
it is possible that those were just teasers for things to come. Thank-you

Original comment by johnmagu...@gmail.com on 21 Dec 2010 at 11:48

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I'm trying to inquire as to weather or not those minus signs is a deduction in 
the percentages for ke to attack or if it is relative to the deduction in the 
percentages being hit.by.the.monsters / Bosses. The Steel Sword I was reffering 
too

Original comment by johnmagu...@gmail.com on 21 Dec 2010 at 11:52

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For example, would a Wolf pack animal hide having an Attack Chance -15% be for 
monsters attacking less? Or would it be for me hitting -15% less or the Jinxed 
Ring having the same

Original comment by johnmagu...@gmail.com on 22 Dec 2010 at 12:06

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Not an error that items have -X% stat, regardless of how you got them.

Issue 22 http://code.google.com/p/andors-trail/issues/detail?id=22 has some 
details about hit chance, which was changed with v0.6.7.

Original comment by kims...@gmail.com on 22 Dec 2010 at 12:09

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AFAIK -X% stats are subtracted from your stats as +X% stats are added to your 
stats. I think Oskar uses -X% stats to reduce the strength of positive effects 
of the item.

Original comment by SamuelPl...@gmail.com on 22 Dec 2010 at 10:53

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In case of the "Wolf pack animal hide" and the "Jinxed ring" Oskar wants to 
weaken the Damage resistance.

IMO Flagstone pride could have been even stronger... (my opinion)

I see no bug here, so it should be closed. Perhaps one of this 2 wiki entries:
http://code.google.com/p/andors-trail/wiki/combat
http://code.google.com/p/andors-trail/wiki/items
should be updated.

Original comment by SamuelPl...@gmail.com on 22 Dec 2010 at 11:01

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Every item you obtain is, and should, not automatically be better than the ones 
you currently have. 
This issue highlights a user "defect", namely how each of us rate "good"/"bad". 
For weapons one might think minimum damage is best, another maximum damage, 
another average damage and another other values like crit. (Rating options are 
not limited to those examples)

I also think the steel sword is better than Flagstone's pride.

In numerous adventure/role-playing games are items the main reason for 
continued play. Just take the still popular Diablo series, where item haunting 
has spawned many player created tools.

Original comment by kims...@gmail.com on 22 Dec 2010 at 11:08

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Personally, I find *any* crit better than *any* no-crit (or lower crit).
10% x2 crit means damage average is about x1.1, subject to damage reduction.
Venomous dagger (1-2 20% x3) is by far the best I've found so far:
20% x3 crit means x1.4

If you have 12 damage without the weapon (could be easily achieved by level 
11), then 
steel sword is 15-19, avg 17
FP is 13-18 * 1.1 ~ 14.3 - 19.8, avg 17.05. 
VD is 13-14 * 1.4 ~ 18.2-19.6, avg 18.9.

BUT if you crit, DR is subtracted only once! that's a big gain against monsters 
having DR. Effectively, you can subtract their DR from your minimum damage and 
as long as it is non-negative, the average is modified by the same amount as 
well.

The large standard deviation, however, has to be offset by increasing Attack 
chance. That is the big question in the equation above, but I think once you 
have over 20 average, increasing attack chance is a better choice (for harder 
monsters; for easier monsters, it is irrelevant anyway)

Original comment by surrano on 22 Dec 2010 at 1:34

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Item modifiers always modify the stats of the actor that wears them. So having 
an item that has a negative stat modifier will decrease that particular stat of 
the player oif the player wears it. For example, the items that have negative 
attack and defense stats, this means that the player will be less able to land 
a successful attack or block an incoming attack if these items are worn.

We will need the items to be this way since we are only in the beginning of the 
story. Later on you will find items that do not have negative modifiers, 
allowing you to be even more powerful. Some will only be avilable as quest 
rewards and some only from shops.

I like that we have the ability for players to choose equipment and stats based 
on personal preference. Later when we add additional damage types 
(fire/cold/ethereal?), you will probably also want to select armour and attack 
type based on the type of monster that you expect to fight. As always with 
RPGs, what equipment is "the best" depends on the situation :)

Was there something else you wanted to adress in this issue or should we close 
it?

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Original comment by oskar.wi...@gmail.com on 29 Jan 2011 at 9:59

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