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Vapor Salts should generate a ton less pressure #10845

Closed ghost closed 8 years ago

ghost commented 8 years ago

Yep, it can get pretty bad quickly

100 Oxygen + 100 Vapor Salts is 500 kPa in your average room, that's enough to kill everyone inside, which makes it worse than even an explosive mix and barely less terrible than polyacid

Obviously, if you manage to react a ton of it in short order (bluespace grenades for example), you can basically overpressurize most of the station

If you want to keep it as a chemical that can kill people, sure. But I'd likely slash at least a zero on it

Kurfursten commented 8 years ago

Average room is a little vague. From my testing, 50+50 generates

So if you want to get to the levels you describe in a large room like the bar, it'll take about 1500 Vapor Salts and 1500 Oxygen or Nitrogen. Not impossible, but certainly a challenge.

Let's consider the opposite case though: what if you want to refill (non-maliciously) a depressurized escape (just the non-prisoner part, 77 tiles). That's comparable to Botany (just 15% larger), so we can estimate refilling that would take around 144 Vapor Salts. Reasonable, I think. Or if we slash a zero as you suggest, about 1440 Vapor Salts, to refill one room to usable condition. That's quite a bit, no?

EDIT I have done additional testing to supplement my math. Three wind grenades (150 Vapor Salts) was just right to fix an airless escape room.

But don't get me wrong - I take your feedback seriously. I think the first thing to do is to make it somewhat more difficult to obtain vapor salts, so I have a hotfix ready to go live right now recently merged hotfix that halves the amount of salt produced by the relevant plant. That should ease woes considerably (except in the case of badmin reagent spawning).

9600bauds commented 8 years ago

Dylan were these impressions of yours formed with your recent badmin stunt of varediting literally billions of units into your bloodstream, or from observing legitimate and live rounds

NigglyWiggly commented 8 years ago

For some reason I feel like it was not the latter.

ghost commented 8 years ago

Aight fine, even Nitroglycerin has a hard cap to prevent exploits

I suppose you have it under control now

PJB3005 commented 8 years ago

:clap: