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[Feature]: Add Australia to location list #146

Open moto501 opened 3 months ago

moto501 commented 3 months ago

Contact Details

evrose@cisco.com

Description

Australia has dynamic wholesale pricing. Pricing available through API via AEMO https://dev.aemo.com.au/

Suggested Solution

Add Australia to the list of location options.

Alternatives

None

Additional Context

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dirkjanfaber commented 3 months ago

I took a quick look at that link and it seems you need to register for that API before being able to access it. Just to get a clear image before digging any deeper into it. Are the dynamic prices also changing hourly in Australia?

And any info on how popular Dynamic pricing usage is in Australia?

moto501 commented 3 months ago

Hi,

Prices change ever 5 mins but we typically use 30min pricing.

We have periods of price spikes both in terms of buy and feed-in (sell).

Victron with zero-feed-in works well to prevent feed-in, but often we want to buy/sell dynamically. I saw your flow wave thought this would be perfect.

Is there anything I cash do to help?

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I took a quick look at that link and it seems you need to register for that API before being able to access it. Just to get a clear image before digging any deeper into it. Are the dynamic prices also changing hourly in Australia?

And any info on how popular Dynamic pricing usage is in Australia?

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moto501 commented 3 months ago

Also, dynamic pricing is gaining popularity due to the uptick of battery installations. Some providers offer this with their 'approved' batteries, but the user loses control and Victron ESS isn't supported.

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I took a quick look at that link and it seems you need to register for that API before being able to access it. Just to get a clear image before digging any deeper into it. Are the dynamic prices also changing hourly in Australia?

And any info on how popular Dynamic pricing usage is in Australia?

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moto501 commented 3 months ago

Another option is to link directly to the Amber Electric API. Amber is a wholesale energy provider for the Australian consumer. They provide API access as default. With this, a hook to their API would provide real-time pricing. I would be an easier option that providing a general API link to the AEMO. There is a Home-Assistant integration (HACS) already which has the API hooks.

From: Dirk-Jan Faber @.> Date: Wednesday, 12 June 2024 at 8:09 PM To: victronenergy/dynamic-ess @.> Cc: Evan Rose (evrose) @.>, Author @.> Subject: Re: [victronenergy/dynamic-ess] [Feature]: Add Australia to location list (Issue #146)

I took a quick look at that link and it seems you need to register for that API before being able to access it. Just to get a clear image before digging any deeper into it. Are the dynamic prices also changing hourly in Australia?

And any info on how popular Dynamic pricing usage is in Australia?

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dirkjanfaber commented 3 months ago

What we currently do is to download the prices once they become available and store them in our own databases. From there we do the schedule calculation for all of the sites. If you can read the prices from the API of your provider, you can also add them as "fixed" prices to the VRM implementation. On https://community.victronenergy.com/articles/293324/node-red-vrm-api-and-dynamic-ess-1.html I've posted an article describing how you can get started accomplishing that. At the moment, I'd say that is the quickest alternative solution for you. Once it works for you and you share your flow, it will make it easier for us to add Australia natively to VRM too.

moto501 commented 3 months ago

Will do. Thanks :)

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What we currently do is to download the prices once they become available and store them in our own databases. From there we do the schedule calculation for all of the sites. If you can read the prices from the API of your provider, you can also add them as "fixed" prices to the VRM implementation. On https://community.victronenergy.com/articles/293324/node-red-vrm-api-and-dynamic-ess-1.html I've posted an article describing how you can get started accomplishing that. At the moment, I'd say that is the quickest alternative solution for you. Once it works for you and you share your flow, it will make it easier for us to add Australia natively to VRM too.

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