w3c / AB-public

Advisory Board repository for materials not meant to be restricted to W3C Members
https://w3c.github.io/AB-public/
17 stars 15 forks source link

Improve Vision language to avoid colloquial or complex expressions #23

Closed dennis-dingwei closed 8 months ago

dennis-dingwei commented 1 year ago

In my reading the current version of the Vision under drafting , some of the sentences are colloquial, and would like suggest it could be more in literary languages.

(1) 1st paragraph: "It has become much more than that;" Suggest change to: "It has evolved as a fundamental part of the lives of much of humanity, ..."

(2) 2nd paragraph: "The Web is a force for good; indeed, it has catalyzed major social changes." Suggest change to: "The Web is a force for good, and it has catalyzed major social changes substantially."

michaelchampion commented 1 year ago

I may have written those sentences long ago (sounds like my writing style), and agree with the critique that they don't havet the right tone for this document. @dennis-dingwei's suggested changes are reasonable. I believe "has substantially catalyzed major social changes" sounds a bit better, but this is a subtle point of English grammar https://www.grammar.com/2-where-do-adverbs-go and either is OK.

dennis-dingwei commented 1 year ago

Agree to move substantially ahead, as it is reasonal to be highligted... @michaelchampion

TzviyaSiegman commented 1 year ago

Some advice from an accessibility course Wiley is developing with TetraLogical (thanks @LJWatson)

  1. Use short sentences where possible. To do this:
  1. Aim for words of 1 to 2 syllables. Anything over 3 gets harder to read.

  2. Avoid using abbreviations and acronyms when possible.

  3. Use person-first language - A disability is what someone has, not what someone is. When writing about people with disabilities, avoid referring to them as "the disabled". You can use "disabled people" or "people with disabilities" instead. Avoid negative language - When writing about disability, avoid words or phrases that reflect prejudiced, stereotyped, or discriminatory views of particular people or groups. For example:

    • Suffers from Cerebral Palsy"
    • "Confined to a wheelchair"
    • "Mentally/physically challenged"

Instead, use neutral language such as:

  1. Avoid ableist language - Avoid describing people with a disability as super-humans, differently-abled, or heroes. Equally, do not refer to people without a disability as "normal". Use "disabled" and "non-disabled" instead.
cwilso commented 1 year ago

Partial fix pending.

chaals commented 1 year ago

I think this is a permanent issue for everything we write. Many thanks to @dennis-dingwei for raising it.

I propose that because this is a recurrent issue, we create a label for "clearer language" or something in any repo we have, and then we ask people to raise specific issues or PRs about specific bits of language they find unclear, and add the label, and when it's documented how to do that we close this issue.

(This is something that applies across the W3C - and to almost all of my work outside W3C too. So we should see if we can generalise the proposed solution, or if someone else already has a good model we can copy).

chaals commented 1 year ago

See also #23 ...

cwilso commented 1 year ago

First round (intro) is done; need to do the same review of the rest of the principles.

cwilso commented 8 months ago

After reviewing, I think subsequent work has fixed this in the rest of the principles. @dennis-dingwei, could you do a review and call out any text that seems complex or inaccessible?

dennis-dingwei commented 8 months ago

Yes, thanks.