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Glossary #62

Closed vlevantovsky closed 4 years ago

vlevantovsky commented 5 years ago

Following the discussion during our WebEx call on July 25th, I'd like to raise the issue about Glossary with a different (positive) spin. My dislike of the current content of "Glossary" has already been documented in issue #40 , but I do agree that the Glossary can be a useful tool if the content of it is useful, and the way it is delivered follows the same principles we outlined in the new CEPC. With this in mind, I suggest that we should apply the following principles when determining what should be part of the "Glossary" and why: 1) Any explanation of a concept or a word that can be easily found in English dictionary doesn't need to be duplicated in the Glossary - it does come across as patronizing when we are assuming that people need basic concepts (such as e.g. "acknowledgement" and "respect") explained to them. Most people in English speaking audience wouldn't benefit from it, and anyone who might need an explanation can easily find it in a dictionary. 2) Since W3C is transitioning to legal entity, I suspect that certain concepts that are directly relevant to employer/employee relationships would be outlined elsewhere. The CEPC is a community document, therefore, its content, and terms and definitions used as part of it (including Glossary) should reflect this specific scope.

As far as actual content of Glossary section is concerned, I propose that each PWE CG member (and will do it myself) should review the latest CEPC draft and would use comments on this issue for any suggestions of the terms used by CEPC that they want to see covered by the Glossary.

AdaRoseCannon commented 5 years ago

There are some terms, such as "outing", which although they are in the dictionary they were unfamiliar to some people working on this document.

In addition, terms like "outing" have domain specific meanings which may be worth specifying. "outing, as to go somewhere on a trip" vs "outing, revealing someone's sexuality against their will"

I think if something is in the dictionary it shouldn't necessarily preclude it, and should still be considered for adding to the glossary if someone is unfamiliar with it.

vlevantovsky commented 5 years ago

I agree that any term used in CEPC with a meaning that is different from its typical dictionary definition ought to be defined in Glossary to avoid any possible confusion. (In this regard, the term "outing", as Ada mentioned, clearly falls in that category and needs to be defined). Also, the following terms (listed in no particular order other than as they appear in the CEPC text) need to be defined as I couldn't find any official dictionary definitions for them: neurotype, microagression, reverse racism, reverse sexism, cisphobia, cissexist.

lianqi commented 5 years ago

While looking at the new version of CEPC, I picked out the following items as a candidate glossary list with benchmarks such as:

==================candidate glossary list ============

  1. abusive behavior
  2. acceptable behavior
  3. accepted behavior
  4. bullying
  5. cisphobia
  6. cissexist
  7. communicate constructively
  8. consensus
  9. dead-naming
  10. demeaning behavior
  11. disability
  12. discrimination
  13. Diversity
  14. enforcers of this Code
  15. ethnicity
  16. gender identity and expression
  17. harrassment
  18. inclusive
  19. insulting behavior
  20. intimidation
  21. intimidation
  22. marginalised communities
  23. mental illness
  24. Misgendering
  25. neurotype
  26. official standing
  27. Ombudsperson
  28. participants
  29. Patronizing language or behavior
  30. personal behavior
  31. physical appearance
  32. professionalism
  33. racist
  34. reverse racism
  35. reverse sexism
  36. Reverse’ -isms
  37. sexist
  38. sexual orientation
  39. socio-economic status
  40. transparency
AdaRoseCannon commented 5 years ago

"Consensus" is not mentioned in the document shall I still include it as it pertains to W3C process?

It may be an auto-corrected typo for "consent"?

AdaRoseCannon commented 5 years ago

"Transparency" is in the document to refer to being clear in our moderation practices.

I just want to confirm this isn't an auto-correct of "transphobia"

RachelComerford commented 5 years ago

I'm in favor of including consensus in the context of the W3C process. The problem with excluding items that appear in the dictionary is that we lose the contextual relevance.

vlevantovsky commented 5 years ago

Alternatively, the problem with including items not used in the text of CEPC is that we also lose relevance. Glossary is there to explain the terms we do use, not a substitute for a dictionary that is readily available elsewhere

AdaRoseCannon commented 5 years ago

I am personally for not defining "consensus" since it is not in the document. I think in this situation it is an auto-correct from "consent".

vlevantovsky commented 5 years ago

+1 to what Ada said. I think that we should simply follow a set of simple rules when determining the content of the Glossary section:

RachelComerford commented 5 years ago

Ah, @AdaRoseCannon apologies - I misread what you wrote - I thought you said it was in the document. In that case I agree with you and would not include Consensus.

swickr commented 5 years ago

W3C Glossary and Dictionary exists and the work on Code of Conduct should avoid duplicating it. There may be terms that are not unique to the CoC that we feel should be in the "big" glossary. We can make sure that the terms in the CoC glossary get pulled into the big glossary as well.

AdaRoseCannon commented 5 years ago

Unfortunately neither "Transparency" or "Consensus" are in those glossary. Would we be able to put them there instead?

Also I was surprised the term "bikeshed" wasn't there either, it's a term which took me a long time to realise what it meant.

swickr commented 5 years ago

Resolved in the 31-October CG call to drop any glossary entries that do not have text by a deadline that Rachel and Jory will determine.

TzviyaSiegman commented 4 years ago

If CEPC is translated into multiple languages is it necessary to include all of these terms in the glossary? My feeling is that terms that are slang or require context should be included, but terms such as "constructive communication" might not need to be in the glossary.

TzviyaSiegman commented 4 years ago

Will be solved by #66