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Documenting gaps and requirements for support of Arabic and Persian on the Web and in eBooks.
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Slanted font styles (Italic, Oblique, Iranic, ...) #93

Open behnam opened 7 years ago

behnam commented 7 years ago

As discussed on the weekly meeting, we want to document the existing methods for using slanted text, slanted to the left or to the right, as it's been a common practice for the past few decades.

The goal is to document the details of the existing methods, and try to find the common names for them.

Also, we want to note that using slanted text is not a traditional way of emphasis/quotation/etc, but a half-baked borrowing from Latin-script Italic/Oblique methods.

behnam commented 7 years ago

"Ketab-e Kuche" calls the feature ایرانیک (Iranic):

ketab-e kuche sample 00 iranic

It can be used inline:

ketab-e kuche sample 01 iranic

Or on a whole line/paragraph:

ketab-e kuche sample 02 iranic

behnam commented 7 years ago

A few examples from Persian Grammer (Parviz Natel-Khanlari, 1976), which includes normal and left-slanted Persian text, and roman and italic Latin text.:

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behnam commented 7 years ago

On the existing font practices, Adobe Arabic has an "Italic" variation:

https://typekit.com/fonts/adobe-arabic

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r12a commented 7 years ago

What i found interesting about Adobe Arabic Italic is that embedded Latin letters lean to the right at the same time as Arabic letters lean to the left. Is that to be expected?

Regular: screen shot 2017-06-14 at 12 16 12

Italic: screen shot 2017-06-14 at 12 15 49

khaledhosny commented 7 years ago

Amiri does the same and that is what I’d expect from a font where Arabic is leaning to the left.

amiri

behnam commented 7 years ago

In current digital typesetting systems, it's what @khaledhosny said.

BUT, actually, there are evidence of slanting direction being applied paragraph-/page-/document-wide. This talk (by @lironlavitur) covers the topic (mostly) for the case of Hebrew, but the concepts are general and apply to Arabic script similarly: https://www.typotalks.com/videos/go-bolder-just-slant-it/

So, @r12a, IMHO what you see is one correct possibility (and the most common one when there's leaning-to-left support for RTL text), but having paragraph-/page-/document-wide should be also noted as an option, specially something to experiment more with.

khaledhosny commented 6 years ago

Here is an example of forward slanted Arabic type from the first issue of Al Ahram newspaper: 9a66676ff84018e15ff97ce91fe7225d

r12a commented 6 years ago

and another example in the type sample repo: https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/14