I think the document is lacking some context re the problem space the proposal is supposed to address and that makes it challenging for the broad set of stakeholders to evaluate the proposal. More specifically, here's what I said on a W3C Member confidential list and it captures the gist of the issue:
Perhaps part of the problem is there isn't broad consensus on "what's
actually broken"? The draft [Plan] is a bit short on the problem space
and focuses mostly on aspects of implementing the proposal. I note
Philippe's [Slides] include some information about the problem space and
others (for example [4 names and links to their comments were deleted])
provided their opinions.
It's good to see a desire to make priorities, etc. "data driven". As
such, has the HTMLWG done a broad "postmortem" survey/analysis to help
identify: those things that worked well, the problem areas, things to
differently, etc.? It seems like we would want feedback not just from
all of the WG participants and consortium members but also the numerous
other stakeholders such as content providers, application developers,
implementers, etc. (I apologize if missed this analysis, but please do
send me the URL.)
Re the question about how to "structure/organization" follow-on work -
in a healthy organization, structure is an implementation detail that
follows from a clear and agreed strategy and vision. Is there broad
agreement on the strategy/vision for the evolution of the HTML standard?
If yes, please let me know where I can find it (and please don't say
"see application foundations" because those are simply "the new activity
buckets")? If not, discussions about how to "structure" follow-on
HTML.NG work is premature.
I think the document is lacking some context re the problem space the proposal is supposed to address and that makes it challenging for the broad set of stakeholders to evaluate the proposal. More specifically, here's what I said on a W3C Member confidential list and it captures the gist of the issue:
[[ https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2015AprJun/0188.html
Perhaps part of the problem is there isn't broad consensus on "what's actually broken"? The draft [Plan] is a bit short on the problem space and focuses mostly on aspects of implementing the proposal. I note Philippe's [Slides] include some information about the problem space and others (for example [4 names and links to their comments were deleted]) provided their opinions.
It's good to see a desire to make priorities, etc. "data driven". As such, has the HTMLWG done a broad "postmortem" survey/analysis to help identify: those things that worked well, the problem areas, things to differently, etc.? It seems like we would want feedback not just from all of the WG participants and consortium members but also the numerous other stakeholders such as content providers, application developers, implementers, etc. (I apologize if missed this analysis, but please do send me the URL.)
Re the question about how to "structure/organization" follow-on work - in a healthy organization, structure is an implementation detail that follows from a clear and agreed strategy and vision. Is there broad agreement on the strategy/vision for the evolution of the HTML standard? If yes, please let me know where I can find it (and please don't say "see application foundations" because those are simply "the new activity buckets")? If not, discussions about how to "structure" follow-on HTML.NG work is premature.
[Plan] http://w3c.github.io/charter-html/html-plan.html [Slides] http://www.w3.org/2015/Talks/0506-html/ ]]