Devices and Sensors WG - TPAC 2020 agenda

[anssiko]

This issue is to work out an agenda for the Devices and Sensors WG meeting at TPAC 2020, a virtual event.

Registration

Please register via https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2020/

Logistics

• 22 October 2020, 5:00 UTC (see your local time)
• 23 October 2020, 5:00 UTC (see your local time)

Max 3 hours per day.

• Zoom details (W3C Members-only)
• IRC: irc://irc.w3.org:6667/#dap (IRC web client: http://irc.w3.org/?channels=#dap)

See also https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2020/GroupMeetings

Agenda

22 October 2020, 5:00 UTC

• Charter 2020 @plehegar
• Screen Fold API
  • A new API proposal, @diekus @kenchris to introduce and the group to review and discuss
• Network Information
  • Review use cases backed with with real-world usage
  • Discuss the scope-limited proposal from WICG
• System Wake Lock
  • Request for use cases https://github.com/w3c/system-wake-lock/issues/4

23 October 2020, 5:00 UTC

• Privacy-preserving APIs discussion

  Discuss all privacy issues from the use cases point of view: evaluate the use cases and requirements, ensure the APIs limit their functionality and data exposure to the minimum required to fulfill these requirements. Review that the new API surface provide the knobs required to design privacy-preserving APIs as per modern best practices

  • WebHID privacy discussion (note: WICG deliverable)
  • Network Information API privacy discussion
  • Ambient Light Sensor privacy discussion

• Test automation

Other proposed discussion topics

• Orientation Sensor
  • Head orientation tracking https://github.com/w3c/orientation-sensor/issues/68
• Polyfills
  • Geolocation API -> Geolocation Sensor
  • Device Orientation Event -> Orientation Sensor
  • Discuss how to adapt spec prose to explain the old APIs in terms of the new APIs

Minutes

• Devices and Sensors F2F - Day 1/2 minutes
• Devices and Sensors F2F - Day 2/2 minutes

Participants

Some possible participants with timezone breakdown:

EU

• Anssi Kostiainen @anssiko
• Thomas Steiner @tomayac
• Lukasz Olejnik @lknik
• Christine Perey @cperey
• Diego González @diekus
• Kenneth Rohde Christiansen @kenchris
• Maryam Mehrnezhad @maryammjd

US West Coast

• Reilly Grant @reillyeon
• Vincent Scheib @scheib
• Matt Reynolds @nondebug

US East Coast

• Nick Doty @npdoty

APAC

• Fuqiao Xue @xfq
• Marcos Caceres @marcoscaceres
• Sangwhan Moon @cynthia

[lknik]

Any option to make the hour slightly later than 5:00?

[npdoty]

I'm on US East Coast time, fwiw. I recognize that there definitely won't be a convenient timezone that works for everyone, but just thought I should correct the data.

[tomayac]

I still hear some discussion (1, 2) around system wake lock use cases, also connected to background geotracking. Shall we put this onto the agenda?

[anssiko]

@tomayac thanks, good proposal. Added to the agenda.

All - more suggestions?

[maryammjd]

It is going to start at 5 UTC? it is 6 am UK time. That won't work for me due to caring responsibilities. The earliest would be 7 UTC (8 am UK).

I also wanted to suggest for me to have a presentation (15-20 min) on the relationship between sensor data and privacy regulations (gdpr, CCPA). It might not be directly related to the spec, but it will generate some nice discussions. What do you think?

[anssiko]

@maryammjd, the meeting will end 7 UTC latest on both the days (midnight Pacific), so it sounds like you’re not able to attend in person (err, I mean virtually in person). Feel free to provide any material for the privacy discussion before the meeting.

[toreini]

Hi Anssi,

I will not be able to attend (same reasons as @maryammjd). I will put my suggestions (and discussions) for privacy and security section. If you require any further discussions or more detail for the unclear parts; I will elaborate.

I plan to attend Machine learning and WoT discussions as well so we will have a chance to talk.

Cheers, Ehsan

[marcoscaceres]

I can do most of the UK/EU times, so long as it's mornings (~8am going forward)... that's basically 5pm for me, so anything in the evening is fine.

[nondebug]

I'm planning to attend and would like to discuss the proposed WebHID device API (https://wicg.github.io/webhid/), in particular the security and privacy implications of this API.

@cynthia and @roderickc participated in the TAG review and were interested in a more in-depth discussion of risk mitigation.

[cynthia]

Current proposed times, luckily enough work fine for me.

[anssiko]

@nondebug I added WebHID to the privacy discussion. Could you let us know your timezone and availability during the meeting times so we can plan accordingly?

[nondebug]

US West Coast, and the proposed times (~5-7 UTC, 22-23 Oct) work fine for me.

[lknik]

I don't know yet if I can make it 22/23 Oct. Will wait a bit with establishing that.

[roderickc]

@nondebug I somehow missed the message, but I should be able to attend as well I think. I'm in US West Coast as well.

[marcoscaceres]

If possible, please send out calendar invites once all the times have been established 🙏

[anssiko]

@xfq will send out the invite to registered participants and observers when he’s back in the home office. (1-7 Oct is a national holiday in PRC aka The Golden Week.)

All - please make sure you have registered via https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2020/

[marcoscaceres]

Sorta off topic: I'm a little confused why Section 3 of the registration form only allows registering for one group (i.e., it uses a radio button)... I'm attending multiple groups that week, but can only click on one? Anyone else find that weird or am I missing something?

[anssiko]

@marcoscaceres I’ve reported that registration system bug earlier (@dontcallmedom for status). The section “Note for Group Meeting Registrants - Systems limitations” has instructions.

All - on topic, we’re about to lift the WIP label from the agenda so this is a last call for agenda topics, comments.

[anssiko]

To be fully prepared for the meeting, I encourage everyone to watch the See you at TPAC! video that contains relevant information for all participants. 😄

[xfq]

I just cleaned up the minutes a bit. They should look better now:

• https://www.w3.org/2020/10/22-dap-minutes.html
• https://www.w3.org/2020/10/23-dap-minutes.html

[toreini]

Thanks for the minutes. @anssiko I think what you proposed is interesting. I am open into doing a joint research on that aspect. How about you @maryammjd ?

[roderickc]

Thanks for the minutes. Unfortunately last minute I couldn't make it due to many meetings (our console launches quite soon..). Let me know if there are particular questions for Sony or if there is a session coming up in the future, which I can try to join.