Is ruby text used with Korean?

[r12a]

If ruby text is used with korean,

1. what forms does it take?
2. where is it positioned, in both horizontal and vertical text?
3. how common is it? and does it need any special support for the Web over and above what CSS currently proposes?

[peremen]

1. Marking sounds of Hanja in Hangul.
2. For horizontal topbottom, for vertical right or bottom right. (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hunmin_Jeongeum.svg and http://kmug.co.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=job&wr_id=64982 )
3. Historically some, practically zero in modern Korean language. A lot of modern texts are using form Hanja (Hangul) or vice versa. Ruby is not a part of Korean orthography standard.

Edit: Although ruby text are used in some publishing (especially for those uses Hanja extensively), for web there is not so much need for it.

[upsuper]

bottom right seems to potentially be another case of inter-character which isn't covered by the current inter-character ruby design. Also ruby-align may need to add new value for it.

[r12a]

Edit: Although ruby text are used in some publishing (especially for those uses Hanja extensively), for web there is not so much need for it.

Bear in mind that we want to support digital publishing on the Web, not just ordinary web pages.

[r12a]

@peremen Thanks for the comments and example. I added the pictures to the type-samples repo at https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/65 and https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/66.

There are other things going on in the second of those, with dots and sometime double dots, sometimes to the side, sometimes between characters. Could you shed some light on that?

[peremen]

There are other things going on in the second of those, with dots and sometime double dots, sometimes to the side, sometimes between characters. Could you shed some light on that?

Contrary to the original description, dots placed aside characters are meant to mark tones, which was used in 15. century Korean. Dots placed under the character stands for a vowel Arae-A (아래아), which was used in old Korean language but its modern usage is limited.

[r12a]

Great. Thanks!

[r12a]

Reopening this, since i think we need to summarise it in klreq.

Also, the issue of intercharacter ruby raised by Xidorn needs to be taken into account for any gap analysis done for Korean.

[fantasai]

I've seen a lot of examples of the ruby rendered inline, in a smaller font, as well. This should be using <ruby> markup ideally. I remember it was trivial to find examples of this in the bookstore, but I can't remember where I put those photos...

[soon-bum]

ruby in Korean.docx I've found four example photos (file attached) 1) Hunmin-jeongeum interpretation (1459) 2) Park-tong-sa interpretation (1677) 3) Textbook for child (1907) 4) Preface of Hanja Textbook for Middle High School (1960s)

[studioego]

Example of Korean Ruby on Tex

KTUG's link: 루비

tex ksruby package pdf file from my git repo.

[studioego]

Example of Korean ruby, taken by me at Sungkyunkwan(성균관/成均館) in Seoul, Korea in September 27, 2019. 전통(傳統, reads “JeonTong” in Korean) 관례(冠禮, reads “GwanRye” in Korean) 계례(笄禮, reads “GyeRye” in Korean)