Open JJdeGroot opened 2 months ago
I think this can be kept as is
Summary:
quintinb suggests mentioning examples and guidance for using system settings in apps. JJ acknowledges this and assigns an action to create a GitHub issue to address system settings during testing.
julianmka and Jamie support clarifying timing adjustments for components like toast/snackbar. quintinb emphasizes that app makers should meet requirements without relying on system settings, and adding more settings isn't a solution.
Joe_Humbert agrees with this responsibility and requests a link to the timing technique, which quintinb provides, offering further information later.
Jamie notes user expectations for system settings across apps, and julianmka agrees, stressing that developers should respect these settings and ensure accessibility out of the box. Jamie concludes that system settings should be a baseline, but developers remain responsible for their app's accessibility.
Based on previous task force conversation, this SC can be applied to native mobile apps and mobile web with minimal or no deviation from WCAG2ICT.
In MATF's first draft of guidance, this SC's section will read as:
This applies directly as written, and as described in Intent from Understanding Success Criterion 2.2.1, replacing “the content” with “screens or views”.
With this substitution, it would read:
2.2.1 Timing Adjustable: For each time limit that is set by [screens or views], at least one of the following is true:
- Turn off: The user is allowed to turn off the time limit before encountering it; or
- Adjust: The user is allowed to adjust the time limit before encountering it over a wide range that is at least ten times the length of the default setting; or
- Extend: The user is warned before time expires and given at least 20 seconds to extend the time limit with a simple action (for example, “press the space bar”), and the user is allowed to extend the time limit at least ten times; or
- Real-time Exception: The time limit is a required part of a real-time event (for example, an auction), and no alternative to the time limit is possible; or
- Essential Exception: The time limit is essential and extending it would invalidate the activity; or 20 Hour Exception: The time limit is longer than 20 hours.
NOTE
This success criterion helps ensure that users can complete tasks without unexpected changes in content or context that are a result of a time limit. This success criterion should be considered in conjunction with Success Criterion 3.2.1, which puts limits on changes of content or context as a result of user action.
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Thanks for the great work, but you keep using my nick instead of the one by @JJdeGroot. I have already unsubscribed from several issues, but I would be grateful if you avoided doing it again in the future. Thanks!
A few notes/comments below from e-mail conversation with @alastc (AC)
JJ: For 2.2.1 Timing Adjustable, the user is able to adjust some timing related settings at the system level on Android and iOS
AC: I’m a bit confused, do you mean for 2.2.2 Pause, Stop, Hide? 2.2.1 doesn’t mention a mechanism. If there were a system level thing that allowed users to turn-off/adjust/extend, I think that could be used.
JJ: Sorry, the note is indeed for 2.2.2. There is a system setting on new Android versions to increase the time limit of toasts.
AC: In which case, I think you could allow for a system level thing that allowed users to turn-off/adjust/extend.
JJ: Okay, the question is when is a setting considered widely-available? Would auditors need to write this down in the "Accessibility support baseline" section? E.g. some settings are only available on newer Android version, and some settings be buried deep in the settings screens.
AC: In WCAG 2.x we’ve taken that on a case by case basis but, for example, a system setting is sufficient to pass Animation from interactions in C39. This sounds similar.
This topic is a constant discussion, there isn’t a clear and concrete answer for a world-wide standard. However, if the setting is free (once the base device and OS are paid for), and on more than 66% of used devices it should be a fairly safe option.
After discussion and voting at the meeting today, the task force members present accepted the proposed language for the first draft of our guidance.
@julianmka @alastc One thing to keep in mind apart from the question whether coverage / availability of such system setting is wide enough across the base of installed systems:
The Android setting warns that it is not supported by all apps, which would mean that at test procedure would need to check whether activating the setting indeed allows to adjust the time - meaning the testing of toast messages cannot be dismissed summarily by saying "well, there is a system setting for adjusting that now".
Great point, @detlevhfischer. And, for what it's worth, I fall into the camp of "don't rely on system settings alone" for the reasons you've shared previously. So many users aren't aware of their options and sometimes there's spotty support as in your Android toast example. I think solely relying on system settings is a bit of a cop-out.
As @alastc pointed out, taking these things on a case-by-case basis may be the way to go: font size settings are universal in the native mobile landscape and it would be redundant for an app to offer its own font size setting instead of or in addition to supporting the system-level preference. On the other hand, extending the time that a toast is shown onscreen is much less widely supported, so the responsible thing for an app publisher to do is account for longer toast appearance times in their app. (Whether they do it through an app-level setting or persist toasts until dismissed or some other conformant approach.)
WCAG2ICT guidance: https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict-22/#timing-adjustable
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