String discrepancy between principles and techniques

gregoriopellegrino commented 1 month ago

Qui una lista di stringhe che sono discrepanti tra il documento dei principles e delle techniques.

ID conformance-certifier-credentials-prefix:
- in the principles I find "The certifier's credential is"
- in the techniques "with a credential of"
ID navigation-structural:
- in the principles I find "headings"
- in the techniques "structural navigation"
ID navigation-page-navigation:
- in the principles I find "page list."
- in the techniques "supports page navigation"
ID charts-diagrams-formulas-unknown:
- in the principles I find "Accessibility of formulas, charts, and diagrams unknown."
- in the techniques "The accessibility of formulas, charts, and diagrams is not available."
ID hazards-motion:
- in the principles I find "motion simulation"
- in the techniques "motion"

GeorgeKerscher commented 1 month ago

Here is an update. PR soon to come: • ID conformance-certifier-credentials-prefix: o in the principles I find "The certifier's credential is" o in the techniques "with a credential of"

GK: Fixed the above!

• ID navigation-structural: o in the principles I find "headings" o in the techniques "structural navigation"

GK: We discussed that structural navigation does not mean much to most users. We decided to change this to headings for compact. I did not change in principles.

• ID navigation-page-navigation: o in the principles I find "page list." o in the techniques "supports page navigation"

GK: made the above change!

• ID charts-diagrams-formulas-unknown: o in the principles I find "Accessibility of formulas, charts, and diagrams unknown." o in the techniques "The accessibility of formulas, charts, and diagrams is not available."

GK: I did not include the full stop in principles, suggest that this be removed in techniques.

• ID hazards-motion: o in the principles I find "motion simulation" o in the techniques "motion"

GK: I made the above change!

gregoriopellegrino commented 1 month ago

My comments:

ID charts-diagrams-formulas-unknown:

in the principles I find "Accessibility of formulas, charts, and diagrams unknown."
in the techniques "The accessibility of formulas, charts, and diagrams is not available."

GP: the two strings not only differ, but they say two different things, in one case it says they are unknown, in the other it says they are not accessible.

ID hazards-motion:

in the principles I find "motion simulation"
in the techniques "motion"

GP: maybe it is better to use motion simulation instead of just motion.

GeorgeKerscher commented 1 month ago

I will change back to motion simulation.

Now, in the ONIX techniques we have:

                    <span><b>IF</b> (<var>contains_charts_diagrams</var> <b>OR</b> <var>contains_chemical_formula</var> <b>OR</b> <var>contains_math_formula</var>) <b>AND</b> <b>NOT</b> (<var>charts_diagrams_diagrams_as_long_text</var> <b>OR</b> <var>charts_diagrams_as_non_graphical_data</var> <b>OR</b> <var>chemical_formula_as_chemml</var> <b>OR</b> <var>chemical_formula_as_mathml</var> <b>OR</b> <var>math_formula_as_latex</var> <b>OR</b> <var>math_formula_as_mathml</var>):</span>
                    <span><b>THEN</b> display <code id="charts-diagrams-formulas-unknown">"The accessibility of formulas, charts, and diagrams is not available."</code>.</span>
                </li>

George thinks: Hum, we do know that the metadata of charts, etc. these constructs are not identified as being available.

We should add math to this string, and there is an issue for this. Perhaps we should say: accessibility of formulas, charts, math, and diagrams is not identified as being accessible.

Is the above statement the same as saying inaccessible? It seems to be a bit different.

Perhaps we should change the ID while we are at it.

What then do we want to say?

GeorgeKerscher commented 4 weeks ago

on line 45 of the spreadsheet, this is marked as false. The reason is because there is a full stop in both the ONIX and in EPUB.

I suggest that all three say: accessibility of formulas, charts, math, and diagrams is not identified as being accessible

I will move forward with this string, unless I am told otherwise.

clapierre commented 4 weeks ago

George, did you fix this, because this morning when I resolved the conflict I removed "math" from the list unknowingly when I removed the final period. If math was to be included please add it back in the principle's document.

Thanks

Charles

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on line 45 of the spreadsheet, this is marked as false. The reason is because there is a full stop in both the ONIX and in EPUB.

I suggest that all three say: accessibility of formulas, charts, math, and diagrams is not identified as being accessible

I will move forward with this string, unless I am told otherwise.

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GeorgeKerscher commented 4 weeks ago

Which file did you remove it in?/G

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George, did you fix this, because this morning when I resolved the conflict I removed "math" from the list unknowingly when I removed the final period. If math was to be included please add it back in the principle's document.

Thanks

Charles

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on line 45 of the spreadsheet, this is marked as false. The reason is because there is a full stop in both the ONIX and in EPUB.

I suggest that all three say: accessibility of formulas, charts, math, and diagrams is not identified as being accessible

I will move forward with this string, unless I am told otherwise.

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clapierre commented 4 weeks ago

This happened in the Pull request Small fixes for localization by gregoriopellegrino · Pull Request #446 · w3c/publ-a11yhttps://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/pull/446

The ONIX file was modified without the math with the id charts-diagrams-formulas-unknown

Thanks

Charles

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From: George @.> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2024 6:16 AM To: w3c/publ-a11y @.> Cc: Charles LaPierre @.>; Comment @.> Subject: Re: [w3c/publ-a11y] String discrepancy between principles and techniques (Issue #438)

Which file did you remove it in?/G

From: Charles LaPierre @.> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2024 4:34 PM To: w3c/publ-a11y @.> Cc: George @.>; Comment @.> Subject: Re: [w3c/publ-a11y] String discrepancy between principles and techniques (Issue #438)

George, did you fix this, because this morning when I resolved the conflict I removed "math" from the list unknowingly when I removed the final period. If math was to be included please add it back in the principle's document.

Thanks

Charles

EOM

From: George @.> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2024 2:08 PM To: w3c/publ-a11y @.> Cc: Subscribed @.***> Subject: Re: [w3c/publ-a11y] String discrepancy between principles and techniques (Issue #438)

on line 45 of the spreadsheet, this is marked as false. The reason is because there is a full stop in both the ONIX and in EPUB.

I suggest that all three say: accessibility of formulas, charts, math, and diagrams is not identified as being accessible

I will move forward with this string, unless I am told otherwise.

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GeorgeKerscher commented 4 weeks ago

I think we are good now.

Best George

From: Charles LaPierre @.> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2024 7:31 AM To: w3c/publ-a11y @.> Cc: George @.>; Comment @.> Subject: Re: [w3c/publ-a11y] String discrepancy between principles and techniques (Issue #438)

This happened in the Pull request Small fixes for localization by gregoriopellegrino · Pull Request #446 · w3c/publ-a11yhttps://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/pull/446

The ONIX file was modified without the math with the id charts-diagrams-formulas-unknown

Thanks

Charles

EOM

From: George @.> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2024 6:16 AM To: w3c/publ-a11y @.> Cc: Charles LaPierre @.>; Comment @.> Subject: Re: [w3c/publ-a11y] String discrepancy between principles and techniques (Issue #438)

Which file did you remove it in?/G

From: Charles LaPierre @.> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2024 4:34 PM To: w3c/publ-a11y @.> Cc: George @.>; Comment @.> Subject: Re: [w3c/publ-a11y] String discrepancy between principles and techniques (Issue #438)

George, did you fix this, because this morning when I resolved the conflict I removed "math" from the list unknowingly when I removed the final period. If math was to be included please add it back in the principle's document.

Thanks

Charles

EOM

From: George @.> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2024 2:08 PM To: w3c/publ-a11y @.> Cc: Subscribed @.***> Subject: Re: [w3c/publ-a11y] String discrepancy between principles and techniques (Issue #438)

on line 45 of the spreadsheet, this is marked as false. The reason is because there is a full stop in both the ONIX and in EPUB.

I suggest that all three say: accessibility of formulas, charts, math, and diagrams is not identified as being accessible

I will move forward with this string, unless I am told otherwise.

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String discrepancy between principles and techniques #438