Select SHACL Compact Syntax editors

HolgerKnublauch commented 9 months ago

Moving towards a potential 1.2 release, the SHACL Compact Syntax needs new editors.

jeswr commented 9 months ago

I would be open to taking on an editing role for this spec.

Note that my current academic affiliation is not currently a paying W3C member - so I suspect I would only be able to do so as an invited expert (https://www.w3.org/invited-experts/).

VladimirAlexiev commented 8 months ago

I'd be happy to help @jeswr since I think that SHACLC is a crucial feature to compete with SHEX's dedicated syntax. Some examples (with shots) in https://github.com/VladimirAlexiev/shaclc-mode.

VladimirAlexiev commented 8 months ago

@jeswr , I dug out "shaclc" issues in the TopQuadrant repo:

https://github.com/TopQuadrant/shacl/issues/98 (escape into turtle, and some extra links and ideas)
https://github.com/TopQuadrant/shacl/issues/142 (test case)
https://github.com/TopQuadrant/shacl/issues/91 (test case)
https://github.com/TopQuadrant/shacl/issues/92 (test case)

Implementations:

https://jena.apache.org/documentation/shacl/#shacl-compact-syntax
(TQ SHACLC was retired after the Jena implementation appeared)
https://github.com/jeswr/shaclcjs of @jeswr
https://www.allotrope.org/ is a big foundation in the life sciences / scientific data.
- https://gitlab.com/allotrope-open-source/shape-editor by @tw-osthus (Thomas Weber of OSTHUS). supports editing of shacl and shaclc files. Last updated 2019
- https://gitlab.com/allotrope-open-source/shape-editor/-/blob/master/src/com.osthus.shapes.shaclc.parent/com.osthus.shapes.shaclc/src/com/osthus/shapes/shaclc/SHACLC.xtext shows they extend SHACLC with rules, incl SPARQL...

Related issues here:

VladimirAlexiev commented 8 months ago

@jeswr Do you want to start a "scope" document with the info from the previous comment? And of course, add your considerations to it.
@tw-osthus do you want to participate? You're the author of 1 of only 3 SHACLC implementations known to me

jeswr commented 8 months ago

Do you want to start a "scope" document with the info from the previous comment?

Is this something that should be Respec'd (in which case I'm guess it should be on this repo and I would need to be given the permissions to do that); or something that is sufficient to be thrown together in a HackMD/google doc/etc. for now?

VladimirAlexiev commented 8 months ago

I think it should be on github: for now as a markdown doc.

HolgerKnublauch commented 8 months ago

Please open a PR when ready. Once the process has started we can set up write permissions for the editors. (We do have two volunteers for the role of co-chairs, hopefully more on that this week).

mielvds commented 8 months ago

I'm interested in participating, but not sure in what way. I love the idea of SHACLC and it should be part of the spec (like @VladimirAlexiev points out: inherit the advantages of shex). I always wanted to use it, but I currently don't because of the unclear status and the minimal spec (e.g., it's unclear whether you can add comments, but you probably can?).

I was not involved in the development of SHACL whatsoever, so I'm in the dark wrt this WG/CG, but I can review, give input, provide use cases, or be editor, whatever makes the most sense and leads to a reaslistic workload.

tw-osthus commented 8 months ago

I really liked SHACLC and would have preferred using it to write shapes. So I made some advertising within the Allotrope Foundation to adopt it for the data models 5 years ago. Mainly this was the reason, I wrote the SHACLC editor at that time, but because it was "unofficial" it was not accepted by the community, which I can understand as a decision in a standardization body.

SHACL in turtle is not too bad, and I have got used to it, so I have dropped my work on SHACLC.

VladimirAlexiev commented 8 months ago

@tw-osthus Never give up! :-)

Assembler is much better than Machine language. But that's not enough reason to avoid high-level languages.
Turtle is much better than eg RDF/XML. But using it to write shapes or SPIN's SPARQL representation in triples, feels like writing in Assembler.

In any case, I'm sure we can ask you questions about your xtext grammar? I'm not familiar with xtext, is there a tool to convert it to EBNF?

afs commented 8 months ago

JavaCC: https://github.com/apache/jena/blob/main/jena-shacl/shaclc/shaclc.jj (there are a few extensions and they are marked e.g. in propertyParam). The grammar is LL(1), that is, quite simple parser technology.

There is elsewhere some scripts to translate the SPARQL javacc-checked grammar to EBNF and HTML and should be adaptable.

There is comprehensive tooling that Gregg Kellogg provides for W3C-favour BNF, including producing ReSpec-friendly HTML.

VladimirAlexiev commented 8 months ago

OK, so we got some grammar resources to reconcile:

ANTLR: https://w3c.github.io/shacl/shacl-compact-syntax/#grammar-section by @HolgerKnublauch
JavaCC: https://github.com/apache/jena/blob/main/jena-shacl/shaclc/shaclc.jj by @afs
XTEXT: https://gitlab.com/allotrope-open-source/shape-editor/-/blob/master/src/com.osthus.shapes.shaclc.parent/com.osthus.shapes.shaclc/src/com/osthus/shapes/shaclc/SHACLC.xtext by @tw-osthus
Jison: https://github.com/jeswr/shaclcjs/blob/main/lib/shaclc.jison by @jeswr (is this the closest you have to a grammar?)

As for grammar visualization, I really like http://bottlecaps.de/rr/ui. I've applied it to SPARQL, SPARQL-Star, XSPARQL (you can't use it without such diagrams!) and Holger's SHACLC: https://github.com/VladimirAlexiev/grammar-diagrams#shaclc

jeswr commented 8 months ago

Jison: https://github.com/jeswr/shaclcjs/blob/main/lib/shaclc.jison by @jeswr (is this the closest you have to a grammar?)

Yes it is

As for grammar visualization, I really like http://bottlecaps.de/rr/ui.

That link is broken for me

VladimirAlexiev commented 8 months ago

Thanks for notifying me!

I checked 5 historic versions at archive.org, but they all return various rendering errors.
I posted at https://github.com/GuntherRademacher/rr
But: "RR also runs on https://rr.red-dove.com/ui"
https://github.com/GuntherRademacher/ebnf-convert is another project by the same guy that can help us unify the existing grammars to W3C-style EBNF

@HolgerKnublauch should shaclc have its own repo, or should I make a folder in here?

HolgerKnublauch commented 8 months ago

A folder here should be fine but isn't the shacl-compact-syntax folder already a suitable place? It does contain a .g4 file.

VladimirAlexiev commented 8 months ago

@HolgerKnublauch thanks for the quick reply! See https://github.com/w3c/shacl/pull/49 (also @jeswr: maybe you can let Jesse merge PRs to reduce your load?)

HolgerKnublauch commented 8 months ago

Yeah, I cannot look after the Compact Syntax anymore and would prefer if someone else can own this.

jeswr commented 8 months ago

Happy to take care of reviewing / approving PRs for SHACLC of given permission to do so.

@VladimirAlexiev did you mean to ping me instead of the user JesseW in your latest PR?

VladimirAlexiev commented 8 months ago

Yep: sorry: fixed.

Posted https://github.com/w3c/shacl/issues/50

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