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Add arrow heads as accidentals. #124

Closed Ra-Yo-Su closed 3 years ago

Ra-Yo-Su commented 4 years ago

Several microtonal notation systems use arrow heads (looking like ∧, ∨, >, <) as accidentals. These include:

The addition of "up" and "down" (^ and ∨) accidentals to SMuFL is sorely needed, but it seems silly to not add right/more and left/less (> and <) at the same time. Given that the latter two don't have standardized names, I propose to call those "more" and "less", respectively. (See also below.)

Neither size and shape of these symbols is standardized (because users have to resort to various tricks to get anything resembling them), but in all cases they are intended to have the same size as a note head.

These accidentals are used on their own and in combination with other accidentals.

I'm not sure where exactly these four new accidentals should be added, but "Other accidentals" seems the most obvious location.


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To be added to "Other accidentals".

symbols: ∧ ∨ > <

names: accidental up accidental down accidental more accidental less

pitch offset values: All four have slightly different functions depending in which notation they are used for. ∧ : one degree up (e.g. 54.5c in 22EDO, 38.7c in 31EDO, etc.) or 33/32 up (53.3c). ∨ : idem, but down. > : 64/63 up (27.3c) or notation-specific small upwards offset. < : idem, but down.

wpcopper commented 4 years ago

Attached please find the symbols used in intonalism for this purpose.   Indeed, it is the up and down arrows (I call them neutral accidentals) that are most urgently needed, since most other microtonal systems do not offer them.

William Copper

If the attachment fails to be delivered, you may find the png image here:

https://williamcopper.com/intonation_symbols.png

On 6/8/2020 6:30 AM, Ra-Yo-Su wrote:

Up/Down notation is one of the most common microtonal notation systems. It uses sharps, flats, and naturals with arrows. The latter are not ideal, however, partially because they make a score look overly busy, and partially because they are too easily confused with sharps with arrows if you can only keep one eye on the score. For that reason, simple up and down arrow heads ^ and v that align with the note heads (and that are roughly the same size or slightly smaller than note heads) are often preferred. (And, as far as I know, these were also the symbols intended by the original authors of Up/Down notation.) Something like (or slightly smaller than) the image below: updopwnpos https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/66622393/84025589-cf9ccd00-a9c6-11ea-864c-5400be0c0e62.png

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dspreadbury commented 3 years ago

@wpcopper, it looks to me like you are talking about something completely different, which is already encoded in SMuFL, under the name Gould arrow quartertone accidentals (24-EDO).