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Sanket Joshi dandclark: presenting https://1drv.ms/p/s!AtmAxiCADIM8nq09hubFJwqEsUqBDg?e=gmm2J1 11:18 AM → aaronlev, rniwa and xiaochengh joined 11:18 AM Di set the topic: Breakout: webcomponents & ARIA - Catalina 3 - 11:15-12:15 11:18 AM rniwa set the topic: "Custom elements and ARIA" 11:18 AM → siye, Michael_Warren0 and spectranaut_ joined 11:19 AM Sanket Joshi dandclark: Shadow roots provide encapsulation, but sometimes ID-based refs needed to cross shadow DOM, ex. ARIA 11:19 AM dandclark: Without totally exposing IDs and breaking encapsulation 11:19 AM — spectranaut_ can someone link the presentation again? 11:19 AM Sanket Joshi ...: Reflected ARIA properties work for references out of shadow, but not into 11:20 AM ...: Focused on other direction today - unsolved problem 11:20 AM Jeffrey Yasskin Am I reading right that the first direction only works with Javascript enabled? 11:20 AM → sarah joined (~sarah@9d40a032.publics.cloak) 11:20 AM — jyasskin spectranaut_ https://1drv.ms/p/s!AtmAxiCADIM8nq09hubFJwqEsUqBDg?e=gmm2J1 11:20 AM Sanket Joshi ...: No way to associate label outside shadow with input inside shadow 11:21 AM ...: Proposal is to add a property on the shadow DOM called referenceTarget to forward external ID references into shadow DOM 11:21 AM q+ 11:21 AM — Zakim sees justinf, rniwa on the speaker queue 11:21 AM Sanket Joshi ...: shadowrootreferencetarget for declarative shadow DOM 11:22 AM ...: Want this to work generally for all ID-based attrs, ie. aria, form, popovertarget, for, etc. 11:22 AM ...: aria-owns is an exception, reparents parts of accessibility tree, hard to get right 11:23 AM — alice aria-owns may be feasible later on, but there are a lot of intricacies and we don't want to block the rest of the attributes on being sure we've got them all right 11:23 AM Sanket Joshi ...: so aria-owns excluded, no use case found for this either 11:23 AM ...: Would like to hear if there is a reason to support aria-owns 11:23 AM ive never even heard of aria-owns :) 11:23 AM Sanket Joshi ...: Properties are reflected in the DOM, but cannot leak shadow contents 11:23 AM Lea Verou present+ 11:23 AM q? 11:23 AM — Zakim sees justinf, rniwa on the speaker queue 11:23 AM Lea Verou q+ 11:23 AM — Zakim sees justinf, rniwa, lea on the speaker queue 11:23 AM Sanket Joshi ...: Quering properties in DOM will just get the host element's info 11:24 AM ...: Works with nested shadow tree, can pass through to deeper shadows 11:24 AM ...: Prototyped in Blink already 11:24 AM → ethanjv joined (~ethanjv@9d40a032.publics.cloak) 11:24 AM — jyasskin Thanks alice. Having 1 exception seemed scary for developer understanding, but maybe there's a semantic reason to exclude it beyond just implementation difficulty. 11:25 AM Sanket Joshi ...: Forward looking, think about expanding to multiple ref forwarding via a ReferenceTargetMap 11:25 AM ...: Different attributes needed to target different elements 11:25 AM ...: Can name each property individually 11:25 AM ...: Will have both declarative and imperative versions 11:26 AM ...: ReferenceTargetMap and ReferenceTarget can be used together 11:26 AM ...: There is an open issue about reflection of properties with invariants 11:26 AM ...: form attr reflects form relationship, ex. a button associating with a form in shadow DOM 11:27 AM ...: need to reflect attr without leaking shadow contents 11:27 AM → jcraig joined (~sid363695@9d40a032.publics.cloak) 11:27 AM Sanket Joshi ...: One solution is to have property to reflect the host element (loosen invariant) 11:28 AM Brian Kardell null seems bad 11:28 AM q? 11:28 AM — Zakim sees justinf, rniwa, lea on the speaker queue 11:28 AM Sanket Joshi ...: Another issue is association with invalid id 11:28 AM q+ 11:28 AM — Zakim sees justinf, rniwa, lea, masonf on the speaker queue 11:28 AM Sanket Joshi ...: 11:28 AM ...: No associated created, how to reflect that? 11:28 AM ...: One option is to return null, since no relationship 11:28 AM ...: But that is kind of leaking info about breakage in the shadow DOM 11:28 AM q+ 11:28 AM — Zakim sees justinf, rniwa, lea, masonf, sorvell on the speaker queue 11:28 AM Sanket Joshi ...: Other option is to always reflect the host. 11:29 AM q+ 11:29 AM — Zakim sees justinf, rniwa, lea, masonf, sorvell, aaronlev on the speaker queue 11:29 AM Put this in formAssociated custom elements and provide a way to set the form the element is providing 11:29 AM Sanket Joshi ...: Looking for feedback on problem, solution, specific issues, etc. 11:29 AM q? 11:29 AM — Zakim sees justinf, rniwa, lea, masonf, sorvell, aaronlev on the speaker queue 11:29 AM q? 11:29 AM — Zakim sees justinf, rniwa, lea, masonf, sorvell, aaronlev on the speaker queue 11:29 AM Lea Verou q- 11:29 AM — Zakim sees justinf, rniwa, masonf, sorvell, aaronlev on the speaker queue 11:29 AM Lea Verou q+ 11:29 AM — Zakim sees justinf, rniwa, masonf, sorvell, aaronlev, lea on the speaker queue 11:29 AM Jeffrey Yasskin q+ jyasskin to ask about CSS alignment 11:29 AM — Zakim sees justinf, rniwa, masonf, sorvell, aaronlev, lea, jyasskin on the speaker queue 11:29 AM ack justinf 11:29 AM — Zakim sees rniwa, masonf, sorvell, aaronlev, lea, jyasskin on the speaker queue 11:29 AM ack rniwa 11:29 AM — Zakim sees masonf, sorvell, aaronlev, lea, jyasskin on the speaker queue 11:30 AM Sanket Joshi rniwa: One interesting thing with this feature is that there is a parallel to delegatesfocus 11:30 AM ...: That also forwards reference inside shadow tree 11:30 AM ...: There was a proposal for each attribute to have a target variant. 11:30 AM ...: Any reason for not doing that? 11:31 AM q? 11:31 AM — Zakim sees masonf, sorvell, aaronlev, lea, jyasskin on the speaker queue 11:31 AM Sanket Joshi dandclark: Ben might know, but seems like dev ergonomics and future looking are good reasons 11:31 AM ...: Maybe others have more context 11:31 AM → CurtBellew joined (~CurtBellew@9d40a032.publics.cloak) 11:31 AM Sanket Joshi alice: That's right. Want there to be a default forwarding option. 11:32 AM ...: Ex: the label/input example is a good one 11:32 AM → kschmi joined (~kschmi@9d40a032.publics.cloak) 11:33 AM Sanket Joshi keith: having microsyntax of id-to-map is novel and might be better to avoid 11:33 AM Greg Whitworth rniwa are you referring to cross-root aria? https://github.com/leobalter/cross-root-aria-delegation/blob/main/explainer.md 11:33 AM Sanket Joshi s/keith/rniwa 11:33 AM westbrook: microsyntax can help prevent explosion of attributes 11:33 AM ...: lots of new attributes being brought in 11:34 AM Jeffrey Yasskin There's the `data-` -> `dataset` precedent. Could do `shadowrootreferencetarget-aria-controls=foo` 11:34 AM Sanket Joshi masonf: exception would be listing them all 11:34 AM Brian Kardell +1 to what masonf said 11:34 AM Sanket Joshi ...: like that you only list one where the target is different from fallback 11:34 AM Lea Verou q- 11:34 AM — Zakim sees masonf, sorvell, aaronlev, jyasskin on the speaker queue 11:34 AM Sanket Joshi rniwa: agree with mason 11:34 AM → TylerWilcock joined (~uid669735@9d40a032.publics.cloak) 11:35 AM q? 11:35 AM — Zakim sees masonf, sorvell, aaronlev, jyasskin on the speaker queue 11:35 AM q? 11:35 AM — Zakim sees masonf, sorvell, aaronlev, jyasskin on the speaker queue 11:35 AM Sanket Joshi dandclark: imperative side of reftargetmap allows you set separate properties for each of them, but listing only those differing from fallback for declarative one seems like a good thing 11:35 AM rniwa: maybe update delegatesfocus too in the same way 11:35 AM masonf: like this overall, but tricky to make sure we don't expose the shadow root 11:36 AM ...: more of an implementation concern 11:36 AM q? 11:36 AM — Zakim sees masonf, sorvell, aaronlev, jyasskin on the speaker queue 11:36 AM Sanket Joshi ...: for form property, would be compatible to switch to a different property, but not if used in wrong ways 11:36 AM ack masonf 11:36 AM — Zakim sees sorvell, aaronlev, jyasskin on the speaker queue 11:36 AM ack sorvell 11:36 AM — Zakim sees aaronlev, jyasskin on the speaker queue 11:37 AM Sanket Joshi sorvell: element could provide real form inside 11:37 AM ...: if there was something the element could opt into, that would solve it 11:37 AM ...: want a real form since this is a form API 11:38 AM ...: correct me if i'm wrong, but we shouldn't block the core feature on this 11:38 AM ack aaronlev 11:38 AM — Zakim sees jyasskin on the speaker queue 11:38 AM Sanket Joshi masonf: +1 11:38 AM aaronlev: noticed a pattern of creating a custom element and putting an aria label on it 11:38 AM ...: when widget is used, attr is copied 11:39 AM ...: problem is that there are two separate object in AX tree, can cause double speaking 11:39 AM James Nurthen q? 11:39 AM — Zakim sees jyasskin on the speaker queue 11:39 AM Sanket Joshi ...: worried that this is problematic since very hard to fix once component has starting doing this 11:39 AM Lea Verou q? 11:39 AM — Zakim sees jyasskin on the speaker queue 11:39 AM q+ 11:39 AM — Zakim sees jyasskin, sorvell on the speaker queue 11:39 AM https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2303 11:39 AM Lea Verou q+ 11:39 AM — Zakim sees jyasskin, sorvell, lea on the speaker queue 11:39 AM ⇐ sarah quit (~sarah@9d40a032.publics.cloak) 11:39 AM Sanket Joshi ...: filed above issue to give component authors to put role: none 11:40 AM — jyasskin That problem strikes me as independent of this id-retargeting topic. 11:40 AM q? 11:40 AM — Zakim sees jyasskin, sorvell, lea on the speaker queue 11:40 AM Sanket Joshi ...: will allow removing element to be removed from AX tree 11:40 AM ack jyasskin 11:40 AM Bridge daemon jyasskin, you wanted to ask about CSS alignment 11:40 AM — Zakim sees sorvell, lea on the speaker queue 11:40 AM definitely a real issue, but imo thats separate from idref 11:40 AM Sanket Joshi +1 to what jyasskin 11:40 AM said 11:40 AM aria-labels arent idrefs etc 11:40 AM Sanket Joshi jyasskin: ref target seems inconsistent with how CSS exposes parts 11:41 AM ...: why? 11:41 AM keith: was proposed that way previously, don't remember why we moved to this 11:41 AM alice: that was more verbose 11:41 AM Can we add my issue to a future agenda since I basically just don't want it to be dropped 11:41 AM → sarah joined (~sarah@9d40a032.publics.cloak) 11:41 AM Sanket Joshi masonf: this is more generic, other approach needs to know more about component 11:41 AM I guess i can just file an issue in web components 11:42 AM Westbrook Johnson q+ 11:42 AM — Zakim sees sorvell, lea, westbrook on the speaker queue 11:42 AM Sanket Joshi rniwa: in the case where you want to forward all refs to one element, much more verbose 11:42 AM q? 11:42 AM — Zakim sees sorvell, lea, westbrook on the speaker queue 11:42 AM ack sorvell 11:42 AM — Zakim sees lea, westbrook on the speaker queue 11:42 AM +1 I would argue that label -> input is a lot of the implementation that would be used 11:42 AM Sanket Joshi sorvell: Seen pattern of moving instead of copying 11:42 AM ...: Point is we need to get this feature landed 11:42 AM ack lea 11:42 AM — Zakim sees westbrook on the speaker queue 11:43 AM Sanket Joshi lea: Much better than prev solutions 11:43 AM ...: in response to Aaron, what you said highlights a big pain point, need to find a solution 11:43 AM ...: not just about ARIA, for native elements, need to copy properties, etc. 11:44 AM ...: wanted to ask if reftarget can be read outside the shadow DOM somehow 11:44 AM Westbrook Johnson Level 2 converastion: https://github.com/WICG/webcomponents/issues/1068 11:44 AM q+ 11:44 AM — Zakim sees westbrook, keithamus on the speaker queue 11:44 AM Sanket Joshi ...: would provide a natural solution to the 2nd open issue, will get host normally 11:44 AM ...: would also be nice for authors to define their own id ref down the line 11:44 AM ...: much much later 11:44 AM ...: shouldn't make that impossible though 11:45 AM ...: map needs to be able to ref the element itself, may need to specify the host as the reftarget 11:45 AM if the host is the reference target, wouldnt that just be adding an ID onto the host which is already doable? 11:45 AM Sanket Joshi dandclark: if reftargetmap doesn't specify reftarget explicitly, will fallback to the host 11:46 AM ack westbrook 11:46 AM — Zakim sees keithamus on the speaker queue 11:46 AM Sanket Joshi ...: for open shadow root, reftarget reflects actual thing in shadow tree 11:46 AM ...: obviously doesn't work for closed shadows 11:46 AM westbrook: web components CG has been reporting since 2021 that this is one of the top issues that needs to be addressed 11:47 AM ...: want to make sure that feature expansion doesn't block progress 11:47 AM Greg Whitworth +1 to westbrook 11:47 AM Sanket Joshi ...: still good to think about level 2 and get agreement from implementors about direction 11:48 AM masonf: agree we are going in the right direction 11:48 AM smaug: me too 11:48 AM masonf: is reftarget is v1 and reftargetmap v2? 11:48 AM +1 phased approach 11:48 AM Sanket Joshi dandclark: yes 11:48 AM q? 11:48 AM — Zakim sees keithamus on the speaker queue 11:48 AM Lea Verou q+ 11:48 AM — Zakim sees keithamus, lea on the speaker queue 11:48 AM Sanket Joshi rniwa: need to check on support 11:48 AM westbrook: when? 11:49 AM rniwa: will try to get an answer ASAP 11:49 AM ack keith 11:49 AM — Zakim sees lea on the speaker queue 11:49 AM Sanket Joshi keith: for form, submit bubble isn't composed 11:49 AM ...: is form already exposed via other means? 11:49 AM ...: if not, returning host element is fine 11:50 AM I don't think submit is composed, but not sure. 11:50 AM Sanket Joshi ...: for open shadows, if submit happens outside form, can get the form? 11:50 AM dandclark: don't want it to be different between open vs closed, but interesting thought 11:50 AM sorvell: is submit really composed? 11:51 AM ack lea 11:51 AM — Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue 11:51 AM Sanket Joshi [keith is looking] 11:51 AM q+ 11:51 AM — Zakim sees sarah on the speaker queue 11:51 AM Sanket Joshi lea: if reftarget ships in level 1 and reftargetmap in level 2, what are semantics of level 1? 11:51 AM ...: worried it won't cover any use cases 11:51 AM masonf: still useful when forwarding different things to different elements 11:52 AM rniwa: reftargetmap solves this problem 11:52 AM lea: but ships in l2 11:52 AM dandclark: reftargetmap broader solution, but reftarget still addresses simpler cases 11:52 AM I filed https://github.com/WICG/webcomponents/issues/1073 for my issue about duplicated properties 11:52 AM Sanket Joshi ...: will eventually need l2 11:52 AM q? 11:52 AM — Zakim sees sarah on the speaker queue 11:53 AM Sanket Joshi masonf: would be useful for minimal leaf nodes 11:53 AM westbrook: we think 80-90% of use cases to be covered 11:53 AM ...: perhaps authors are not making more complicated things because not possible 11:53 AM ack sarah 11:53 AM — Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue 11:53 AM Sanket Joshi ...: maybe after reftarget/reftargetmap, we'll see more of those 11:54 AM https://lit.dev/playground/ submit event is not composed 11:54 AM Sanket Joshi sarah: have a component where we can mark one element as target, works well 11:54 AM ...:is it possible to have a default role for custom element with reftarget/reftargetmap defined? 11:54 AM per a playground I just did haha 11:54 AM Yeah it's not composed. Click events are so if you had the button inside the form you could still get the composedpath 11:55 AM Sanket Joshi dandclark: feasible, need to understand about need 11:55 AM ...: see this as a transparent pass through shadow DOM boundary 11:55 AM bah, sorry for the bad link haha 11:55 AM q? 11:55 AM — Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue 11:56 AM Sanket Joshi sarah: idea is that aria-label, etc. apply to outer element but you want it applied to the inner element 11:56 AM ...: really want to forward everything to the shadow node 11:57 AM ...: would be nicer to implicitly forward rather than explicitly forwarding everything 11:57 AM ...: may encourage right patterns for authors 11:57 AM ..: proposal is to have a different default AAM mapping 11:57 AM alice: implicit role none? 11:57 AM rniwa: can be overriden? 11:57 AM sarah: yes and yes 11:58 AM dandclark: would only be if you supplied reftarget but not reftargetmap? 11:58 AM sarah: yes 11:58 AM ⇐ sarah quit (~sarah@9d40a032.publics.cloak) 11:58 AM q? 11:58 AM — Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue 11:58 AM Sanket Joshi ...: current default role is generic 11:58 AM dandclark: will follow up with sarah 11:58 AM q+ 11:58 AM — Zakim sees rniwa on the speaker queue 11:58 AM Sanket Joshi ...: would be possible 11:58 AM ack rniwa 11:58 AM — Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue 11:58 AM — alice note that referenceTarget won't automatically forward attributes on the host like `role` 11:58 AM Sanket Joshi rniwa: Webkit supportive of proposal 11:59 AM Brian Kardell 🥳 11:59 AM Sanket Joshi lea: Support from Mozilla? 11:59 AM Westbrook Johnson q+ 11:59 AM — Zakim sees westbrook on the speaker queue 11:59 AM woo! ship it! 11:59 AM Jesse Jurman q+ 11:59 AM — Zakim sees westbrook, JRJurman on the speaker queue 11:59 AM Sanket Joshi everyone: Olli said yes earlier. 11:59 AM Lea Verou 🚀 12:00 PM q+ 12:00 PM — Zakim sees westbrook, JRJurman, sorvell on the speaker queue 12:00 PM → sarah joined (~sarah@9d40a032.publics.cloak) 12:00 PM Sanket Joshi rniwa: should we move the list of attributes onto the shadow root instead of the map? 12:00 PM ...: would resemble delegatesfocus 12:00 PM lea: maybe rename delegatesfocus? 12:01 PM alice: I think delegatesfocus is doing something different. Picking focus based on direction. 12:01 PM Lea Verou delegatesReferences? 12:01 PM ack westbrook 12:01 PM — Zakim sees JRJurman, sorvell on the speaker queue 12:01 PM Lea Verou delegatesIds? delegatesTo? 12:02 PM rniwa: I think it might be better to have individual attributes instead of a map with a micro syntax to be consistent with delegatesFocus. 12:02 PM Sanket Joshi westbrook: do we have a spec writer on board? that would be helpful 12:02 PM dandclark: i'll do it, unless others want to be onboard 12:02 PM q? 12:02 PM — Zakim sees JRJurman, sorvell on the speaker queue 12:02 PM Sanket Joshi keith: i'll do it with Dan 12:02 PM ack jrjurman 12:02 PM — Zakim sees sorvell on the speaker queue 12:02 PM Sanket Joshi alice: i'll help Dan and Keith work on the spec 12:03 PM jesse: when custom element wraps an input, can we just inherit the role onto the host? 12:03 PM keith: shadow roots are transparent 12:03 PM ...: want the opposite, role should be none or generic 12:03 PM ack sorvell 12:03 PM — Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue 12:04 PM Sanket Joshi masonf: yeah, would cause two nested elements with same role 12:04 PM sorvell: can we avoid long, verbose attribute names? 12:04 PM Lea Verou q? 12:04 PM — Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue 12:04 PM Sanket Joshi ...: can we revisit something like data-? 12:04 PM q+ 12:04 PM — Zakim sees keithamus on the speaker queue 12:04 PM q+ 12:04 PM — Zakim sees keithamus, Michael_Warren on the speaker queue 12:04 PM Sanket Joshi ...: no concrete proposal though 12:04 PM ack keith 12:04 PM — Zakim sees Michael_Warren on the speaker queue 12:04 PM Sanket Joshi keith: don't mind on the attribute names, but microsyntax is worse than attributes 12:05 PM Lea Verou qq+ to say +1 for shorter attributes, but we need to avoid hyphens so we can have the option of custom attributes open 12:05 PM — Zakim sees lea, Michael_Warren on the speaker queue 12:05 PM Sanket Joshi ...: easy to bundle attrs using templating libraries 12:06 PM sorvell: isn't that what happens with export parts? 12:06 PM rniwa: semantics very different 12:06 PM ack lea 12:06 PM Bridge daemon lea, you wanted to react to keithamus to say +1 for shorter attributes, but we need to avoid hyphens so we can have the option of custom attributes open 12:06 PM Sanket Joshi ...: may be an argument for not doing microsyntax 12:06 PM — Zakim sees Michael_Warren on the speaker queue 12:06 PM q? 12:06 PM — Zakim sees Michael_Warren on the speaker queue 12:06 PM Sanket Joshi lea: custom attributes should still be explored 12:07 PM ack Michael 12:07 PM — Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue 12:07 PM Sanket Joshi Michael_Warren: shorter attrs would be nice, especially people that hand write shadow DOM 12:07 PM ...: not everyone uses a build tool 12:07 PM q? 12:07 PM — Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue 12:08 PM Lea Verou +1 to "not everyone uses a build tool" 12:08 PM Sanket Joshi dandclark: Next step is to write the spec, continue to work on prototype, potentially consider OT in Blink 12:08 PM masonf: Can we come back to the form question? Since we didn't get an answer. 12:08 PM dandclark: Also the question about broken ref. 12:09 PM masonf: Should just return the host? 12:09 PM lea: yes 12:09 PM lea: AX tree would also fallback to host, right/ 12:09 PM q? 12:09 PM Sanket Joshi ? 12:09 PM — Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue 12:09 PM Sanket Joshi dandclark: yes 12:09 PM q+ 12:09 PM — Zakim sees Michael_Warren on the speaker queue 12:10 PM Sanket Joshi keith: would be good to try this on a test bench 12:10 PM ...: hard to come up with the expected answer 12:10 PM ack Michael 12:10 PM — Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue 12:10 PM Sanket Joshi ...: weak argument though 12:10 PM Alice q+ to go back to the

question if we have tiem 12:10 PM — Zakim sees alice on the speaker queue 12:11 PM Sanket Joshi Michael_Warren: Someone said id ref different than other ARIA references. How different are the implementations? 12:11 PM dandclark: reftarget as proposed is not limited to ARIA 12:11 PM ...: supports all id based lookups 12:12 PM masonf: string based ones could technically be adapted too 12:12 PM rniwa: are we adjusting svg use too? 12:12 PM lea: uses href, not id 12:13 PM rniwa: resolved to change semantics, does use id for things with that SVG tree 12:13 PM dandclark: not adjusted those 12:13 PM rniwa: may need to review where id lookup is done 12:13 PM q? 12:13 PM — Zakim sees alice on the speaker queue 12:13 PM q? 12:13 PM — Zakim sees alice on the speaker queue 12:14 PM ack alice 12:14 PM Bridge daemon alice, you wanted to go back to the question if we have tiem 12:14 PM — Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue 12:14 PM Sanket Joshi alice: RE form question: Not sure about issues from leaking, but tells info about host, which means it can 'act' as an element you are targeting 12:14 PM ⇐ ethanjv quit (~ethanjv@9d40a032.publics.cloak) 12:14 PM Sanket Joshi keith: what about .form today on an element? 12:14 PM ...: that's undefined, right? 12:15 PM dandclark: yeah, might be compat since it returns null today and now invalid ref would cause it to return the host 12:16 PM keith: Restating... .form returns null if element not form participant, but if reftarget always fallbacks to host, then .form will always fallback to the host element and look like a form participant 12:17 PM dandclark: Maybe a good principal is that reftarget won't change property reflections or other internal associations 12:17 PM q+ 12:17 PM — Zakim sees xiaochengh on the speaker queue 12:17 PM Sanket Joshi ...: For aria properties, would just change those internal associations, but not the property reflections 12:18 PM keith: No way to use form property on custom element, right? 12:18 PM ⇐ kschmi and justinf quit 12:18 PM ack xiaochengh 12:18 PM — Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue 12:19 PM Sanket Joshi xiaochengh: Maybe shouldn't push reftargetmap to level 2? 12:19 PM lea: That's a lot more complex. Forwarding everything to one element is simpler and addresses a lot of use cases. 12:19 PM xiaochengh: Risky. Ex: How do we address form? 12:20 PM ⇐ jarhar, masonf, jocelyntran3, alisonmaher, Di and xiaochengh quit 12:20 PM Sanket Joshi masonf: Maybe we try to address all properties first and strive for reftarget only in level 1.

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