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[LATER version] example paused video for extended audio description #566

Open shawna-slh opened 5 years ago

shawna-slh commented 5 years ago

Hi EOWG folks,

We'd like to point to an example of a video where the visual pauses for extended audio description. At the end of Creating a Separate Described Video - If Descriptions Do Not Fit in Spaces we currently have:

If not or if you’re adding to an existing video, you will need to leave a static image in the video while the description is playing in the audio. (For example, this video [need example] pauses at 00:00 for the audio description.)

Ideally we would not point to an accessible media vendor site or a for-profit website.

Here are two from a vendor site: https://www.3playmedia.com/solutions/how-it-works/how-to-guides/audio-description-how-to-guides/audio-description-examples/

Others???

daniel-montalvo commented 5 years ago

You might want to have a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-WtWEUFzHc&feature=youtu.be

It is still not ideal since I guess it will fall under the profit websites, but at least this is not an accessibility-related company itself.

shawna-slh commented 5 years ago

Thanks Daniel! I think it's just fine from a W3C vendor-neutrality perspective. It is indeed a good example of pauses for visual description. Two things I note from quick viewing: 1. There is more description than I think necessary. That is, much of it seems not important to understand the content of the video. Yet that is subjective. 2. There is one point where the background noise of horse hoofs on pavement is way too loud over the person speaking.

Even so, I think we can use this if we don't find a better one.

bakkenb commented 5 years ago

Hard to find one NOT from an accessible company because how do you actually search for it. Most organizations don't tag a video with "extended audio description." Any, here is what I thought was a pretty good one from AI Media. I will keep looking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gAIERMr39I

bakkenb commented 5 years ago

Here is one from a college. It is okay. At least they don't describe text on the screen that is already being spoken in the dialogue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeLCxiKjIGg

hkramer commented 5 years ago

Here's a nice one from the Australian Competition and consumer commission: https://www.accc.gov.au/about-us/tools-resources/social-media/transcripts/shop-smart-and-use-your-rights-a-video-for-consumers-with-disability On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhB3n-DeBI Appears to be a government or quasi gov't agency, described as "an independent Commonwealth statutory authority" - whatever that is. :-)

shawna-slh commented 5 years ago

Thanks for the pointer, Howard.

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Am I too picky that it bothers me that the audio description of visual information says: "A computer appears with Chapter 1 Buying Goods and Services on screen." and right after that the main audio says: "Chapter 1, Buying Goods and Services" ?

Sylduch-Conseil commented 5 years ago

Thanks Daniel! I think it's just fine from a W3C vendor-neutrality perspective. It is indeed a good example of pauses for visual description. Two things I note from quick viewing: 1. There is more description than I think necessary. That is, much of it seems not important to understand the content of the video. Yet that is subjective. 2. There is one point where the background noise of horse hoofs on pavement is way too loud over the person speaking.

Even so, I think we can use this if we don't find a better one.

I agree with @slhenry that the noise of the horses is too loud. In addition, I woner why each audio description starts with "we see". Each time the video is interrupted, the sound is lowered an it does not sound natural. But if we don't find any other video that would be a good example, okay with it.

Sylduch-Conseil commented 5 years ago

Here is one from a college. It is okay. At least they don't describe text on the screen that is already being spoken in the dialogue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeLCxiKjIGg

I like the second link given by @bakkenb , the descfiption is clear, no big pauses between what the video is saying and the describer saying. +1

Sylduch-Conseil commented 5 years ago

Thanks for the pointer, Howard.

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Am I too picky that it bothers me that the audio description of visual information says: "A computer appears with Chapter 1 Buying Goods and Services on screen." and right after that the main audio says: "Chapter 1, Buying Goods and Services" ?

I agree with @slhenry 's comment. May be the video is also a bit long to serve as an example for our resource. Otherwise it is good.

yatil commented 5 years ago

As we do have Audio Description for our own perspective videos, couldn’t we use the audio from one of those and then use the video of the non-audio-described one, which we pause during the audio description?

That sounds pretty doable, we could pick a very short snippet that highlights the point and we would not need to point to an external resource.

(not strong, just brainstorming)

bakkenb commented 5 years ago

+1 to Eric. That is a good idea too.

hkramer commented 5 years ago

I did notice that too and it threw me at first but then I figured it made sense for what they were doing - in other words the redundancy is just due to the topic they're talking about. The first example doesn't have that problem nor do the subsequent ones after the second one.

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Thanks for the pointer, Howard.

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shawna-slh commented 5 years ago

As we do have Audio Description for our own perspective videos, couldn’t we use the audio from one of those and then use the video of the non-audio-described one, which we pause during the audio description?

That sounds pretty doable, we could pick a very short snippet that highlights the point and we would not need to point to an external resource.

(not strong, just brainstorming)

Appreciate brainstorming!

Two things:

  1. It would require someone to do the video editing.

  2. What we did was better -- that is, record extra video in the scene so you don't need to pause it. I kinda don't want to use our videos as an example of a less-than-optimum solution. :-)

yatil commented 5 years ago

  1. Stamping out a short clip should be relatively simple.

  2. Yes. And if we have a short clip of this and then in contrast the “better” solution, it would be quite illustrative.

(but again, not really feeling strongly)

daniel-montalvo commented 5 years ago

Yeah, if this is an easy thing to do I would support the idea of showing our own instead of an external example.

shawna-slh commented 5 years ago

Appreciate the input.

  1. I don't know of anyone who has the time to make the new video, that is, for whom it is a priority over other things.

  2. True -- but then we have to add text to make that clear. Not sure if it's worth extra explanation. Maybe.

Anyway, w3c/wai-media-guide#1 is show-stopper for now.

cochfarf commented 5 years ago

I think the video Brent shared was a good example and it doesn't require additional work if what Eric suggests is a deal breaker.

yatil commented 5 years ago

ok

shawna-slh commented 5 years ago

Thanks every one for looking and contributing!

I reviewed again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeLCxiKjIGg The timing of the pauses and description is not good -- that is, the frame with the visual text that they are providing in description is often not shown when they are saying the description.

I really do not want to point to an example that is not a good example, or has obvious flaws.

I'll just leave this issue open for if someone finds one we all thing is acceptable to point to, if if we decide to make our own.

shawna-slh commented 5 years ago

I've got a lead on a video editor who might be happy to make this for us!