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WCAG2ICT Project: Discover if we need new introductory sections and add, if needed #20

Closed maryjom closed 1 year ago

maryjom commented 2 years ago

For other documents that get updated, there are sections describing changes between versions, background/history, etc. Not sure if a Working Group Note typically has them, but these are worth considering:

maryjom commented 2 years ago

Created a Discussion poll for the group to weigh in on this topic.

maryjom commented 2 years ago

Results of the poll are a bit mixed.

Lboniello commented 2 years ago

A working group note for W3C on the topic of applying WCAG 2.0 to non-web information and communication technologies (WCAG2ICT) was approved in September of 2013. The note, Guidance on Applying WCAG 2.0 to Non-Web Information and Communications Technologies (WCAG2ICT) describes how the WCAG 2.0 can be applied to ICT, specifically to non-web documents and software. The note is organized by sections to mirror those found in WCAG 2.0: perceivable, operable, understandable, and robust. It was intended that the note would help clarify when and how WCAG 2.0 success criteria should be applied: without modification or with modification (with edits and/or notes). Glossary terms were also reviewed for applicability as written. AAA was not addressed in the final note.

WCAG2ICT has been relied upon in regulations and standards such as: Section 508 - Application of WCAG 2.0 to non-web ICT (US) and EN 301 549 V3.2.1 (Europe) and other standards that reference and/or incorporate EN 301 549 (e.g. India, Kenya, Australia, etc.). Section 508 looks to WCAG2ICT for detailed direction in providing specific guidance and exceptions to particular criteria from being applied to non web technology.

bruce-usab commented 1 year ago

In addition to USAB link (from the preamble to the final rule), the regulatory adoption of WCAG Conformance for non-web software and WCAG Accessibility Standard applied to non-web documents.

ThorstenKatzmann commented 1 year ago

editorial only, better "Level AAA Success Criteria" instead of only "AAA" so that it reads "Level AAA Success Criteria was not addressed in the final note."

maryjom commented 1 year ago

One minor edit to Thorsten's edit: "Level AAA Success Criteria were not addressed in the final note."

maryjom commented 1 year ago

@Lboniello Can you incorporate comments from Thorsten and Bruce into the draft for our discussion this Thursday?

Lboniello commented 1 year ago

@maryjom absolutely. Will comment with the updated draft in a clean comment window.

Lboniello commented 1 year ago

@bruce-usab - where did you want this?

In addition to USAB link (from the preamble to the final rule), the regulatory adoption of WCAG Conformance for non-web software and WCAG Accessibility Standard applied to non-web documents.

Lboniello commented 1 year ago

Updated below without @bruce-usab addition as it was unclear to me how to incorporate that text/link/comment.

A working group note for W3C on the topic of applying WCAG 2.0 to non-web information and communication technologies (WCAG2ICT) was approved in September of 2013. The note, Guidance on Applying WCAG 2.0 to Non-Web Information and Communications Technologies (WCAG2ICT) describes how the WCAG 2.0 can be applied to ICT, specifically to non-web documents and software. The note is organized by sections to mirror those found in WCAG 2.0: perceivable, operable, understandable, and robust. It was intended that the note would help clarify when and how WCAG 2.0 success criteria should be applied: without modification or with modification (with edits and/or notes). Glossary terms were also reviewed for applicability as written. Level AAA Success Criteria were not addressed in the final note.

WCAG2ICT has been relied upon in regulations and standards such as: Section 508 - Application of WCAG 2.0 to non-web ICT (US) and EN 301 549 V3.2.1 (Europe) and other standards that reference and/or incorporate EN 301 549 (e.g. India, Kenya, Australia, etc.). Section 508 looks to WCAG2ICT for detailed direction in providing specific guidance and exceptions to particular criteria from being applied to non web technology.

maryjom commented 1 year ago

@Lboniello A clarification was asked for regarding Level AAA statement in the 1 Dec. meeting by Gregg Vanderheiden to be clear about it being the original note. Now that I have thought about it more, maybe say "Level AAA Success Criteria were not addressed in the 2013 WCAG2ICT Note."

I think once Bruce's comments are addressed then this can be incorporated into the GitHub document. Do you feel comfortable doing the GitHub pull request or wish to leave that to the editors to do?

bruce-usab commented 1 year ago

My apologies for missing the call toady, and for my comment above being so cryptic!

@Lboniello presently includes a link to the 508 preamble discussing the Application of WCAG 2.0 to Non-Web ICT. We all agree that is very helpful!

In addition to referencing that preamble prose, my suggestion is to also cite to the 508 regulation, and specifically to the provisions that incorporate by reference (IBR) the WCAG Accessibility Standard as to be applied to non-web documents and WCAG Conformance for non-web software.

As we have discussed, EN 301 549 – from a mechanic editorial perspective – implemented WCAG 2.0 and 2.1 essentially via copy/paste. The two different approaches have strengths and weakness.

I think it may be of some utility to note that the USAB IBR was not as simple as one might have preferred. In particular, Conformance Requirement 3 does not work for software with only word substitution. A too-quick read gives the impression we skipped it. It is there, as E207.3

bruce-usab commented 1 year ago

@Lboniello (et al.) for linking to the wcag2ict discussion in the 508 preamble, please use: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/01/18/2017-00395/information-and-communication-technology-ict-standards-and-guidelines#h-36

(Linking to access-board.gov for 508 provisions is the best option. But it is not working well to have the preamble on the same page (on the USAB site) as the regulation, since printing results in about 100 more pages than people expect. It is on my list of things to move the preamble its own page.)

bruce-usab commented 1 year ago

On call today (1/19) I volunteered to try my hand on a PR to resolve this thread.

bruce-usab commented 1 year ago

See proposed changes: https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/pull/81/files

pday1 commented 1 year ago

Minor editorial point: Guidance section, paragraph 1, line 2. Broken markdown link is still present "[[WCAG22]]" after the link Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.2

maryjom commented 1 year ago

@pday1 The broken link gets resolved when incorporated into the Editor's draft. There's special respec markup and post-processing that goes on when the full document is built to make that part work. If you look at the references section of the WCAG2ICT editor's draft, you can see the references are resolved in there.

maryjom commented 1 year ago

AG WG has a survey open until 9 March with AG WG survey results discussion at a TBD future date (after CSUN conference).

maryjom commented 1 year ago

All content complete for this section.