Open akshayku opened 5 months ago
We discussed this on a WG call a few weeks back, and I think there was loose agreement to do this as part of Level 4 (e.g. replacement added in L3, deprecate old way in L4).
But I think we need to address RPs who still want to specify local vs remote, without having to worry about all the options. This could be addressed by just adding an additional option to hints to cover the equivalent of cross-platform
(e.g. remote-authenticator
).
We attempted to hedge this by establishing in L3 that hints override attachment:
Hints MAY contradict information contained in credential transports and authenticatorAttachment. When this occurs, the hints take precedence. (Note that transports values are not provided when using discoverable credentials, leaving hints as the only avenue for expressing some aspects of such a request.)
Deprecating in L4 definitely makes sense.
But I think we need to address RPs who still want to specify local vs remote, without having to worry about all the options. This could be addressed by just adding two additional options to hints (e.g.
local-client
,remote-authenticator
).
@timcappalli Are you thinking about auth here? Because client-device
and hybrid
hints should solve this for registration...
@timcappalli Are you thinking about auth here? Because client-device and hybrid hints should solve this for registration...
I updated my comment. We talked about adding something equivalent to cross-device
to cover both hybrid and security-keys and any other future non-local option.
I updated my comment. We talked about adding something equivalent to
cross-device
to cover both hybrid and security-keys and any other future non-local option.
Hmm, what's the current gap with specifying ["security-key", "hybrid"]
? Is it the ergonomics of needing to know to specify both values to achieve equivalent support to authenticatorAttachment: "cross-platform"
?
Simplicity for developers and future proofing.
The other thing we need to think about is the difference between authenticatorAttachment today vs hints.
Hints are just a hint. It is expected that clients will use this to prioritize, but not limit other options. Whereas attachment limits the options available to users.
authenticatorAttachment = very predictable experience today Hints = somewhat predictable experience
Something to consider as they are arguably serving slightly different use cases.
As far as I recall, even in older version authenticatorAttachment has always been a "hint" as well. It just so happens it predictably works today, but it's still a hint. So changing this from platform/cross-platform to more specific transports / factors like "security-key" or "hybrid" is a good change.
Perhaps it was an oversight, but PublicKeyCredential
only has a field for authenticatorAttachment
. If PublicKeyCredentialHints
is designed to be a replacement, then ideally PublicKeyCredential
would be updated to contain a hints
attribute
.
Consequently a client can only inform what kind of credential was created via AuthenticatorAttachment
which then has to somehow be mapped to a [PublicKeyCredentialHints]
during the authentication ceremony. Unfortunately the spec defines a non-invertible function mapping PublicKeyCredentialHints
to AuthenticatorAttachment
forcing RPs to either play it safe and only use the AuthenticatorAttachment
that was sent during registration or "guess" what [PublicKeyCredentialHints]
to use instead.
Edit
According to @MasterKale's comment, the inverse seems to be "cross-platform"
→ ["security-key", "hybrid"]
and "platform"
→ ["client-device"]
; however if that is the case, it should be mentioned in the spec. I also think PublicKeyCredential
still needs to be updated. @MasterKale, order matters with hints; so to be clear, you were intentional in placing "security-key"
before "hybrid"
, right?
As I write my WebAuthn RP library, I do find it somewhat bizarre that ["hybrid"]
gets mapped to "cross-platform"
instead of mapping to a missing value. According to the authenticatorAttachment
field, "If this member is absent, then any attachment modality is acceptable". Doesn't "hybrid"
mean both "platform"
and "cross-platform"
are allowed without preference to either one? If so, that seems to align with "any attachment modality is acceptable" (i.e., a missing field).
Also for clarification, the spec says "Hints are provided in order of decreasing preference so, if two hints are contradictory, the first one controls. Hints may also overlap: if a more-specific hint is defined a Relying Party may still wish to send less specific ones for user-agents that may not recognise the more specific one. In this case the most specific hint should be sent before the less-specific ones". This means that the countably infinite [PublicKeyCredentialHints]?
is partitioned into five equivalence classes, correct:
[]
["security-key"]
["client-device"]
["security-key", "hybrid"]
["client-device", "hybrid"]
Here I am assuming that a missing hints
field, ["hybrid"]
, and []
are the same.
@MasterKale, order matters with hints; so to be clear, you were intentional in placing
"security-key"
before"hybrid"
, right?
No, I was not intentionally ordering the hints in that comment. RP's should be free to order hints as they see fit.
Perhaps it was an oversight, but
PublicKeyCredential
only has a field forauthenticatorAttachment
. IfPublicKeyCredentialHints
is designed to be a replacement, then ideallyPublicKeyCredential
would be updated to contain ahints
attribute
.
authenticatorAttachment
still has value as a signal of whether the user might need to be prompted to register their local access device. Hints don't control browser behavior in the same way that authenticatorAttachment does; it's possible that specifying hints: ["security-key"]
leads to the user completing hybrid authentication anyway. What value might be returned for a hypothetical "PublicKeyCredential.hints
" in the response in this scenario? ["security-key"]
wouldn't make sense, but the RP didn't specify ["hybrid"]
so it could be confusing...meanwhile returning authenticatorAttachment: "cross-platform"
remains an accurate description of the general type of the authenticator that ultimately completed the ceremony, so I can't see the benefit of replacing PublicKeyCredential.authenticatorAttachment
right now.
According to @MasterKale's comment, the inverse seems to be
"cross-platform"
→["security-key", "hybrid"]
and"platform"
→["client-device"]
; however if that is the case, it should be mentioned in the spec.
Mapping in the opposite direction, from hints
to authenticatorAttachment
, isn't quite that easy. While ["hybrid", "security-key"]
and ["security-key", "hybrid"]
conveys slightly different desires by the RP about which type of authenticator they want the browser to start the user in. Naively mapping either combination to "cross-platform"
prunes this desire.
My ultimate goal with hints was to make it possible to break up registration into three separate flows. The introduction of passkeys jammed hybrid registration into previously-security-key-only flows. For RP's (like Duo Security) that want to be able to show the user instructions before the WebAuthn ceremony this made it incredibly difficult to pull this off. Especially when we wanted the user to use their security key but were shown this by their browser:
Hints enable registration to now be three options, as passing in ["security-key"]
can have the browser jump straight to security key interaction when .create()
is called:
Sure, clients are free to allow the user to choose a different kind of authenticator than specified in the hint, but if users are just looking to click Next to get through the first thing shown to them this doesn't seem too bad a restriction over using authenticatorAttachment
.
This means that the countably infinite
[PublicKeyCredentialHints]?
is partitioned into five equivalence classes, correct:
[]
["security-key"]
["client-device"]
["security-key", "hybrid"]
["client-device", "hybrid"]
I would suggest that most RP's either A) use hints one-at-a-time to offer pre-registration guidance for the general category of authenticator they want the user to register, or B) group hints along the current authenticatorAttachment
split:
IMO number 2 could just as easily put "hybrid"
before "security-key"
as the RP desires - nothing about hints forces any of them into buckets, that should be an opinion established by RP's (or library maintainers.)
Here I am assuming that a missing
hints
field,["hybrid"]
, and[]
are the same.
Not necessarily. ["hybrid"]
is the RP communicating to browsers that support hints, "please start the user in your hybrid registration flow." []
carries no meaning and so the browser would be free to start the registration ceremony where it wants to (e.g. the curernt behavior of optimizing for platform authenticator registration.)
No, I was not intentionally ordering the hints in that comment. RP's should be free to order hints as they see fit.
Is this true? The spec says "if two hints are contradictory, the first one controls" which seems to imply that something like ["security-key", "client-device"]
is equivalent to ["security-device"]
due to the two contradicting each other and "security-key"
appearing first. Additionally the spec states, "Hints may also overlap: if a more-specific hint is defined a Relying Party may still wish to send less specific ones for user-agents that may not recognise the more specific one. In this case the most specific hint should be sent before the less-specific ones" (emphasis added). This seems to imply that something like ["hybrid", "security-key"]
is wrong since the latter is more specific and thus "should be sent before".
authenticatorAttachment
still has value as a signal of whether the user might need to be prompted to register their local access device. Hints don't control browser behavior in the same way that authenticatorAttachment does; it's possible that specifyinghints: ["security-key"]
leads to the user completing hybrid authentication anyway. What value might be returned for a hypothetical "PublicKeyCredential.hints
" in the response in this scenario?["security-key"]
wouldn't make sense, but the RP didn't specify["hybrid"]
so it could be confusing...meanwhile returningauthenticatorAttachment: "cross-platform"
remains an accurate description of the general type of the authenticator that ultimately completed the ceremony, so I can't see the benefit of replacingPublicKeyCredential.authenticatorAttachment
right now.
So then I don't understand your comment that AuthenticatorAttachment
should be deprecated. You seem to be arguing now that there is use in AuthenticatorAttachment
that is not filled by PublicKeyCredentialHints
. Were you stating that it should be deprecated only within PublicKeyCredentialCreationOptions
but elsewhere (e.g., PublicKeyCredential
) still exist?
Additionally nothing in the spec states or implies that the AuthenticatorAttachment
that is sent as part of PublicKeyCredential
MAY/SHOULD/MUST match the one that was sent in PublicKeyCredentialCreationOptions
; therefore I don't see why a mismatch would be confusing.
Mapping in the opposite direction, from
hints
toauthenticatorAttachment
, isn't quite that easy. While["hybrid", "security-key"]
and["security-key", "hybrid"]
conveys slightly different desires by the RP about which type of authenticator they want the browser to start the user in. Naively mapping either combination to"cross-platform"
prunes this desire.
As stated already, the spec seems to indicate that ["hybrid", "security-key"]
shouldn't exist since the former is less specific than the latter. Also the spec does attempt to map from hints
to authenticatorAttachment
, but unfortunately is does so in an incomplete way. For example it states ["security-key"]
SHOULD be mapped to "cross-platform"
, but it doesn't state anything about ["security-key", "hybrid"]
. Additionally as stated in my previous comment, it suggests mapping ["hybrid"]
to "cross-platform"
despite it appearing to be better to map that to nothing since a lack of authenticatorAttachment
field means "any attachment modality is acceptable".
My ultimate goal with hints was to make it possible to break up registration into three separate flows. The introduction of passkeys jammed hybrid registration into previously-security-key-only flows. For RP's (like Duo Security) that want to be able to show the user instructions before the WebAuthn ceremony this made it incredibly difficult to pull this off. Especially when we wanted the user to use their security key but were shown this by their browser:
Hints enable registration to now be three options, as passing in
["security-key"]
can have the browser jump straight to security key interaction when.create()
is called:Sure, clients are free to allow the user to choose a different kind of authenticator than specified in the hint, but if users are just looking to click Next to get through the first thing shown to them this doesn't seem too bad a restriction over using
authenticatorAttachment
.
With AuthenticatorAttachment
there were three separate registration flows possible:
"platform"
(e.g., mobile device)"cross-platform"
(e.g., security key)Again, according to the authenticatorAttachment
field, "if this member is absent, then any attachment modality is acceptable".
IMO number 2 could just as easily put
"hybrid"
before"security-key"
as the RP desires - nothing about hints forces any of them into buckets, that should be an opinion established by RP's (or library maintainers.)
Ah, so it seems to be the case that "hybrid"
is not contradictory to "security-key"
/"client-device"
nor more/less specific. This seems to imply there are 8 partitions then:
[]
["security-key"]
["client-device"]
["hybrid"]
["security-key", "hybrid"]
["hybrid", "security-key"]
["client-device", "hybrid"]
["hybrid", "client-device"]
which in turn means that if the spec intends to map hints
to authenticatorAttachment
as it presently seems to, then there are five other values that need to get mapped (again ignoring my claim that ["hybrid"]
seems to be better mapped to nothing (i.e., an AuthenticatorSelectionCriteria
instance with no authenticatorAttachment
field) than "cross-platform"
).
Is this true? The spec says "if two hints are contradictory, the first one controls" which seems to imply that something like
["security-key", "client-device"]
is equivalent to["security-device"]
due to the two contradicting each other and"security-key"
appearing first.
I'd suggest that providing two places is nice because it gives priority on the first, but also provides browsers with direction if the first method isn't available.
For example, a browser could receive ["client-device", "hybrid"]
, know that a platform is unavailable in its own way outside the scope of this discussion, and decide to pop up the hybrid QR code instead because the browser knew it had enough prerequisites satisfied to perform a hybrid ceremony. Without the inclusion of "hybrid"
the browser might have otherwise shown both hybrid and security keys when the RP isn't as interested in exposing security keys to their users.
I'll have to respond to your other points later, I'm heading back home from today's WAWG F2F ✌️
From WAWG meeting @ 5/1: there's potential value in keeping authenticatorAttachment
around while making hints
into a further refinement of existing client behavior for a given attachment. This would mean updating the spec to declare valid hints per attachment (e.g. "for "cross-platform"
attachment valid hints include "security-key"
and "hybrid"
...")
Doesn't
"hybrid"
mean both"platform"
and"cross-platform"
are allowed without preference to either one?
No, the "hybrid"
hint indicates a preference for a separate authenticator device using the "hybrid"
transport, meaning it is separate from the client device and therefore cross-platform attached.
You may be thinking of the use case for hints: ["client-device", "hybrid"]
, which signals a preference for essentially anything except a dedicated external security key: an integrated platform authenticator or (most likely) the platform authenticator on another nearby general-purpose computing device such as a smartphone (mirroring the "passkeyPlatformAuthenticator"
client capability).
The spec says "if two hints are contradictory, the first one controls" which seems to imply that something like
["security-key", "client-device"]
is equivalent to["security-device"]
due to the two contradicting each other and"security-key"
appearing first.
Immediately preceding that, the spec says:
Hints are provided in order of decreasing preference [...]
so no, your two examples are not equivalent - the former expresses a fallback preference of "client-device"
while the latter expresses no fallback preference.
For the purposes of mapping to a suitable value of authenticatorSelection.authenticatorAttachment
, though: yes, in this case the first hint would determine the respective authenticatorAttachment
setting, and unconditionally override any and all other hints following it. So as of now there are 4 partitions, as you put it: ["security-key", ...]
and ["hybrid", ...]
mapping to "cross-platform"
, ["client-device", ...]
mapping to "platform"
and []
mapping to undefined
(absent).
@emlun, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
Background
We have introduced PublicKeyCredentialHints for RP to better convey intention of which transport is preferred for both credential creation and authentication. Previously, AuthenticatorAttachment was used to convey similar intention.
However, AuthenticatorAttachment has a side affect during credential creation. It excludes certain authenticators and the definition of platform vs cross-platform has been murky for some time since the introduction of hybrid transport. It leads to market fragmentation and UI differences between platforms.
Proposed Change
Deprecate AuthenticatorAttachment in favor of PublicKeyCredentialHints in the spec. For backwards compatibilty when only attachment is provided, we can map those values to corresponding PublicKeyCredentialHints.