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W3C TAG Ethical Web Principles
https://w3ctag.github.io/ethical-web-principles/
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Are these really principles? #111

Open mnot opened 7 months ago

mnot commented 7 months ago

Overall, the document does a good job of capturing ethical principles -- i.e., invariants that we use as a 'bright line' to make hard decisions. However, there are a few items that, while good goals, aspirations or values, are questionable as principles.

In particular, these items stand out to me:

I suspect the first and last are better expressed as values, not principles. The second is more of an aspiration at this point.

torgo commented 7 months ago

As discussed at the AC meeting, 2.7 relates directly to the concept of origin so it's definitely a "principle" that underpins some fundamental architectural pieces of the web, from our pov. cf https://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/distributed-content/ Naybe that needs to be made clearer in the text? As for the others, I'm not sure I agree with your differentiation between "principles" and "values". In my view a value is something like "we believe this" whereas a principle should be "when we do things we do them like this". 2.6 and 2.9 both seem to fit into the latter category for me.

mnot commented 6 months ago

Re: 2.7 - yes even just using origin as an example would clarify; otherwise it's very open-ended and dare I say it, speculative.

Re: 2.6 and 2.9 - I say they're values because they need to be balanced against other factors more readily, and they may need to adapt over time. But this isn't a severe criticism.

torgo commented 6 months ago

After discussing with the TAG we are in agreement that this can be discussed and adjusted in the next phase of work, after the current transition request. We'll leave this open to reflect that.