Open fredrik1984 opened 10 months ago
salgo60
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10 months ago @fredrik1984 what source Will you have for this data?
I guess you still will have problems as I feel som "party" affiliations are made up and are more constructions in 1985 and was not used in early 1900 as I show in my issue 139 about vilde --> the challenge is to state that different sources state different facts see #421 how Wikidata support that....
MansMeg
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10 months ago I agree. This isn't easy how to solve. We should focus on the party affiliation when the persons are members of parliament. Hence, the records might be a good source for this.
Otherwise, we will need to look into other sources. I think the librarians at the Parliament Library probably have some information on good sources for this. Also, the further back we go, the more loose the idea of a party will be. Before 1730, I don't think there existed parties in the parliament. Since we want only to have parties defined by a source it might become harder and harder to define when people enter and leave parties.
Although, I think @ljo might have some ideas how to do this in a good way.
salgo60
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10 months ago for member of the Riksdag of the Estates wikidata use P1268 represents see Q343674#P39
Timeline where we have that P1268 in WD%20%0A?birth%20?death%20?representsLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%0A%20%20VALUES%20?member%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20wd:Q33071890%20%0A%20%20%20%20wd:Q81531912%20%0A%20%20%20%20wd:Q82697153%20%0A%20%20%20%20wd:Q10655178%20%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%7B?person%20p:P39%20?pMember.%0A%20%20%20?pMember%20ps:P39%20?member.%0A%20%20%20?pMember%20pq:P1268%20?represents.%20%23represents%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%7B?person%20wdt:P569%20?birth%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%7B?person%20wdt:P570%20?death%7D%0A%20%20%0A%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B?person%20wdt:P18%20?bild%7D.%0A%20%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase:label%20%7B%20bd:serviceParam%20wikibase:language%20%22sv,en%22.%20%7D%0A%7D%20GROUP%20BY%20%20?person%20?personLabel%20%20?death%20?birth%20?representsLabel%0AORDER%20BY%20?representsLabel&md=true&g=article&l=person&t=personLabel&s=birth&e=death&i=bild&d=0&c=representsLabel&f=representsLabel&v=t) / SPARQL
I guess best maintained in WD is Wikidata:WikiProject_British_Politicians
Currently, start/end of MP party membership are based on years (e.g. 1910–1923). However, some MPs could be a member of a party for less than a year and then join another (like this MP: https://portrattarkiv.se/details/sj9PGLAlnmUAAAAAABfQug). Then it will be more messy (e.g. 1907–1907).
In the bio books, only years are stated for party start/end. For the Swerik project, it is for now a low priority to add specific MP party start/end dates. One reason for this is that it could be very difficult to assess when an MP started/ended in a party.
However, @ljo had some ideas of how this could be approached in a structured way.