Open SibylleK opened 1 month ago
@SibylleK : I am struggling to understand how these 2 parameters differs from existing entries 23 to 26.
Entries 23/24 are the water velocity components following the geographical axis (North/South and East/West) while the entries 25/26 are the water velocity components following the coordinates system (see the note attached to the entries).
@sebvi, I got some information from my colleague that says you are right, there are parallels between existing entries 25 & 26 (x- and y-components) and requested new entries 53 & 54 (normal and tangential components). However, we think there are differences, which justify new entries:
https://github.com/wmo-im/CCT/wiki/Teleconference.16.May.2024 notes: Sibylle introduced the issue.
https://github.com/wmo-im/CCT/wiki/Teleconference.2024.June.4and5 notes: @david-i-berry Can you review this proposal (and see comments)?
https://github.com/wmo-im/CCT/wiki/Teleconference.24and26.June.2024 notes: still under discussion
If we take the edge between cells B1 and B2 below, the normal will have a different sign depending on whether the edge is assigned to cell B1 or B2. How is this managed?
1 | 2 | 3 | |
---|---|---|---|
A | A1 | A2 | A3 |
B | B1 | B2 | B3 |
C | C1 | C2 | C3 |
@david-i-berry , I receive following answer from my colleague:
Sorry, referring to "grid cell edges" in our proposal was probably misunderstandable. We should just have referred to "grid edges".
You are right, if we consider grid cells with their (outward pointing) surface normals, The normal of B1 at the interface between B1 and B2 would be antiparallel to the normal of B2 there.
The normal and tangential velocity components of our proposal, however, do not refer to the grid cells, but they just refer to the grid edges as such.
Which of the two possible normal directions of an edge is chosen, and if the normal and tangential directions - in this order - form a right- or left-handed coordinate system, should not be part of the parameter definition. It is a matter of individual definition and should be left to the (technical) conventions and needs of the particular ocean model.
In summary, the parameters of this proposal are really just a one-to-one analogues of the already existing normal and tangential wind component parameters for atmospheric models (see above).
https://github.com/wmo-im/CCT/wiki/Teleconference.2.July.2024 notes: team agrees with this proposal, @SibylleK update branch
Initial request
DWD requests two new oceanographic parameters for Code table 4.2.
Product discipline 0 - Meteorological products, parameter category 2: momentum
Note 2: In relation to local coordinate axes at a cell edge.
We require corresponding parameters for ocean modelling.
Amendment details
Add in Code table 4.2
Notes:
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(3) In relation to local coordinate axes at a (grid) cell edge.
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Requestor(s)
Sebastian Borchert (DWD) Sibylle Krebber (DWD)
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Publication(s)
Manual on Codes (WMO-No. 306), Volume I.2, GRIB code table 4.2, discipline 10, category 4
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