Open JustinSainton opened 10 years ago
The copyright of hopscotch still belongs to the developers of hopscotch, why don't we reach out and ask if they would roll a version out for us that is GPL that we don't distribute?
Do you want to ask?
d
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On 7/12/2014, at 7:08 am, Justin Sainton notifications@github.com wrote:
As developers, we're constantly in danger of forgetting who our users are. They are...well...users.
I am not my target audience.
As such, this means that we need to think about how we can make life as simple as possible for our users. For me, this has meant spending an inordinate amount of time in our Live Chat system lately. The findings have been really helpful. People want a piece of software that doesn't take a degree to use (sentiments I hear regularly).
To that end, I'm wondering how we can give people a nice opt-in tour around WPeC - hold their hands a bit, right in the beginning. Give them a sense of our voice, let them know we're on their team, be accessible. eCommerce is scary - we should have a way to be a guide for users.
To that end, I'm proposing we consider a support tour. I'm not actually sure if this would be something on by default in core, or if it's something that we might activate as part of a yearly support subscription or what. But some possible options:
http://linkedin.github.io/hopscotch/ sidekick.pro Personally, I feel like Sidekick is a bit rougher around the edges - and best I can tell, we'd be depending on a third-party, not open-source software.
That said, Hopscotch is licensed Apache 2.0, which is incompatible with GPL 2.0 (but not GPL 3.0).
Sigh, licensing.
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It's LinkedIn - so I'd be surprised if we heard back :) But by all means, go for it! See if they're open to changing the license or dual licensing.
That said, changing the license of a project is not an easy task. See https://github.com/Varying-Vagrant-Vagrants/VVV/issues/346. It requires the willingness not only of the project owner, but all who have contributed to it under that license.
Probably a better use of our time seeking out alternatives.
I was in a meeting with a Redhat lawyer earlier this year and we were talking about open source licensing. They were adamant that as a copyright owner you are allowed to release whatever you own under any licence you like... aka if Automattic or the WP foundation "wanted" they could legally create a fork of WP and release it under a proprietary licence, give me a copy and make me promise not to share that with anybody. Of course that would never happen and makes no sense but I'm pretty sure that it is the law.
I'm just sharing this because I found it VERY interesting... so then I wonder if morally their developers would be like "well hey they are not wanting to re-release hopscotch under a different licence, and we don't have to distribute the GPL version, so sure lets let those WPEC guys have a modified GPL version for use with WPEC".
Of course at that point the GPL will apply but at that point we're getting quite technical and I doubt people would be hunting for non Apache licence versions of Hopscotch in a WordPress Plugin, so maybe they would?!?!
hehehehehehehe - some fun food for thought :D
d
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Justin Sainton notifications@github.com wrote:
It's LinkedIn - so I'd be surprised if we heard back :) But by all means, go for it! See if they're open to changing the license or dual licensing.
That said, changing the license of a project is not an easy task. See Varying-Vagrant-Vagrants/VVV#346 https://github.com/Varying-Vagrant-Vagrants/VVV/issues/346. It requires the willingness not only of the project owner, but all who have contributed to it under that license.
Probably a better use of our time seeking out alternatives.
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Alternatives that are GPL compatible, listed in the order of my own personal preference:
Shepherd, to me, is the prettiest. It doesn't have baked-in capabilities for multi-page tours, but I think we could work around that.
As developers, we're constantly in danger of forgetting who our users are. They are...well...users.
I am not my target audience.
As such, this means that we need to think about how we can make life as simple as possible for our users. For me, this has meant spending an inordinate amount of time in our Live Chat system lately. The findings have been really helpful. People want a piece of software that doesn't take a degree to use (sentiments I hear regularly).
To that end, I'm wondering how we can give people a nice opt-in tour around WPeC - hold their hands a bit, right in the beginning. Give them a sense of our voice, let them know we're on their team, be accessible. eCommerce is scary - we should have a way to be a guide for users.
To that end, I'm proposing we consider a support tour. I'm not actually sure if this would be something on by default in core, or if it's something that we might activate as part of a yearly support subscription or what. But some possible options:
Personally, I feel like Sidekick is a bit rougher around the edges - and best I can tell, we'd be depending on a third-party, not open-source software.
That said, Hopscotch is licensed Apache 2.0, which is incompatible with GPL 2.0 (but not GPL 3.0).
Sigh, licensing.