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Hey @teenie-quaggard, I think for feasibility study step it could be really useful to add the key headings/sub questions in a notion document and then we all add ideas under each heading and meet to discuss/consolidate.
When are we roughly looking to apply to Hive? We could schedule in time for this weekly so we meet this deadline. Can imagine this taking a couple of weeks/a month to complete if we do a chunk a week. What does everyone think?
@jema28 - That sounds like a good idea to me. How does everyone else feel about this?
I'm not really sure about deadline...I think the sentiment is kind of ASAP. I think a realistic estimate might be the end of this year to complete the feasibility survey, business plan, governing documents and get registered as a coop.
Hi everyone - I'd like to suggest a timeline of getting this all set up by the end of Q1 2021.
If there is time in the schedule, I think it makes sense getting the feasibility study done within the next two weeks (before October 9). @jema28 - I like your suggestion of creating a shared Notion document; I'll work on building this up in Yalla's notion. @thejoefriel and I had spoken about clearing a morning in everyone's schedule so that everyone would have some time dedicated to answer the questions on their own. We could then meet in the afternoon to discuss / collate. @thejoefriel - do you think it's possible to get this scheduled in the upcoming weeks?
After the feasibility study is completed, I'll be in a better place to contact Hive and get their support in building up our business plan and registering us as a co-op.
I would say that we could probably get the vast majority of this done before Christmas, but I'm not just not sure how quickly Hive will be able to offer their support or how long the application process will take to get officially registered as a co-op.
Thanks for this @teenie-quaggard - this is really comprehensive and gives us a roadmap to getting set up. One quick thing is on some advice from a few lawyer friends, I'm looking into setting up a LLP in the meantime with indemnity insurance, just something we can quickly implement to ensure I am a bit more protected from our current contracts. I'll keep people updated on this :)
A few points to discuss:
How to handle multiple territories I think you're right that it could be tricky for us to have shareholders for a uk cooperative with ppl outside of the uk. One potential option I was thinking is whether we set up silos in each territory (e.g. UK, Germany and Gaza) and then set up a contract that connects all of them and ensures everything is distributed equally. This might be a bit weird, but could have a few benefits: 1.) Makes it easier to set up contracts with clients in UK and Europe post Brexit 2.) Everyone can be shareholders / have ownership of Yalla 3.) Also means in future we could move to full employment for members if that is something we wanted
For me it's crucial that the core members have equal ownership of Yalla. I think this might be difficult with just a UK coop and so we may need to be creative to get around this
Is Co-op the right structure? This is an interesting point. Talking to Anni the other day she said it was important to make sure we first pick the right business structure for us rather than necessarily shoe-horning into being a co-op. One route she suggested that could be worth exploring is setting up as a Benefits Corporation (B Corp). Here's some links she has shared to help us: https://bcorporation.uk/ https://companieshouse.blog.gov.uk/2018/07/18/choosing-the-right-business-structure/
Bank account Transferwise I think is the best option. It's what FAC uses in their transfers with MercyCorps so keeps things simple. We should also consider tying in with Xero as well for accounts management
OK no in terms of how we get moving with this:
Dedicated time for people to read this I've booked into the capacity planner half a day for @RamyAlshurafa @dupreesi and @fadeomar to read through this next week :) Just to make sure we've all read it and added comments here
Next steps @teenie-quaggard what is the next step after people comment on this? I'm wondering whether rather than a group workshop, it could be good if you carried out a series of 1-to-1 chats with the proposed core members: @dupreesi @RamyAlshurafa @fadeomar @jema28 and myself. I can also then carry out the 1-to-1 with yourself? In these chats we can cover perhaps the insights you need to help with the feasibility so this could be things like:
The reason I suggest this approach is:
If you think this is a good approach, we could set these 1-on-1 chats over the next fortnight?
Hi @thejoefriel - thanks for looking through this!
That sounds like a good idea to incorporate as an LLP. One thing to note...co-ops actually come in all many different types of legal structures (including LLCs), so I think it would still be possible to register as a co-op and keep the same legal structure. I'll need to do a bit more research, but if so, then it may be possible to set up the bank account as soon as you have registered as an LLC with little need for annoying changes later. Here's a bit of information on that: https://www.seedsforchange.org.uk/legalforms.pdf
I'm happy to have one on one calls with everyone over the next fortnight. I'll wait for everyone's comments and then schedule in chats the following week. :)
thanks, @teenie-quaggard for this, Thanks @thejoefriel @jema28 as well
i think we should list all the responsibilities of core members, if we can have these listed then we can split them among us to make sure the load is distributed in a way to make everyone comfortable.
@thejoefriel @teenie-quaggard I'm happy to follow your lead on the legal stuff as I'm not familiar with here in Gaza (LLP and other parts)
@thejoefriel the one-one sessions looks a good idea when this should be done? before the Hive's workshop or after? I think after is better maybe after the workshop things would be clearer for us.
Hey everyone!
Here are the results from the 1-on-1 interviews that we met for last week. Overall it seems like there are quite a few commonalities - that's great! Please note, that although our conversations were based around all the same questions, there may be some things mentioned below that we did not touch on in your conversation. If there is something that you'd like to add or change, feel free to write a comment below or contact me if you'd prefer to remain anonymous to the rest of the group. I'm going to have another look at the feasibility study and get back to you on what I think the next steps should be later this week. Thanks!
Areas of commonality (or, at least no expressed dissent)
Areas of conflict
Areas for discussion
Areas of commonality (or, at least no expressed dissent)
Core members share all responsibility (for when things go wrong and for when things go right)
Core members are responsible for taking part in making Yalla business decisions including business development and project scoping
Core members are responsible for delivery (even if it means working overtime)
Core members commit to a minimum of time per month / year
Core members receive higher remuneration (on rates, but also in the form of bonuses if Yalla has a particularly good year)
Core members get first dibs on work before it is offered to non-core members
Core members get voting rights
Both core and non-core members should be responsible for responding back to requests / questions within a reasonable period (48h?)
Both core and non-core members need to be clear on when they are available to work
Both core and non-core members commit to work the time they have been assigned to during project scope
Areas of conflict
Areas for discussion
People were generally unsure about this and seemed to think that it was probably more applicable to Yalla if the members moved onto a salary based model with paid holiday.
Overall, it was important to everyone that they could take days off when they wanted but people were fine with these days being unpaid. The amount of notice individuals suggested varied from 1 to 4 weeks.
Areas for discussion
Areas of commonality (or, at least no expressed dissent)
Areas of conflict
Areas for discussion
Here there were lots of different ideas for how a new core member should be instated. None of them really contradict each other , so a mix of the methodologies is totally possible.
Find out what they specialise in. Whoever is best equipped from the core members to judge the specialisation will vet the potential member and then there will be a discussion amongst core members.
A core member sponsor will invite a new member and provide a proposal of that new member to the team who will vote on the new member.
Simply, talk to the potential member and introduce them to the team.
Have a trial phase for potential member, check expectations to performance, sign a contract.
THANKS @teenie-quaggard! That is superb and gives lots of insight.
Just getting to this @teenie-quaggard, thanks so much for putting this together! Really well done and got some more to think about 😸
Hey everyone! Here is a bit of preliminary research that I have conducted about what the next steps would be for Yalla to incorporate and become a co-operative.
In terms of what the next step is... I think that Yalla needs to work out a structure where we could flesh out a feasibility study (see below) together. I've had a look through the Notion as well as the other issues in Master Reference and it seems that Yalla has already begun some of the more 'business-y' discussions, but there are still a number of gaps that need to be sorted before we can apply for help with Hive.
Feel free to have a read through my notes and please drop any questions or comments in the thread below!
Note: I conducted most of the research under the assumption that Yalla would register as a cooperative in the UK. I'm going to continue to look into what the benefits would be of registering elsewhere (somewhere in Europe?) and will let everyone know in the thread below. I also need to get some advice on whether or not UK cooperatives can legally have members based elsewhere.
The big question
Is a co-operative the right business structure for Yalla? If Yalla wants to limit ownership to just a few people, even as the co-operative grows, then a co-operative may not be right.
What is a co-operative (co-op) anyway?
Cooperative values
Self-help, self responsibility, democracy, equality, equity and solidarity
Ethical values
Honesty, openness, social responsibility and caring for others
The co-operative principles
Why should Yalla incorporate (become a legal entity)?
Incorporating would mean that Yalla can enter contracts as an entity. This means that risk can be more equally distributed between members.
At some point, Joe mentioned that he is currently signing off on all the contracts between clients and Yalla. That means if anything goes wrong, Joe will be singularly liable for any legal fallout.
What needs to happen before Yalla can incorporate / register as co-operative?
Note: Cooperatives UK offers a paid-for service to help guide potential coops in the legal process of registering. It starts at £250
Step 1 - Conducting a feasibility study
A feasibility study is basically a workshop day which prepares Yalla for the creation of a solid business plan. It helps to test the business idea and checks that it serves the purpose you intent it to.
Click here for workshop. Synopsis of the steps below. I have longer notes on each of these points so if you are curious about something, just note a question in the comments below.
Step 2 - Contact Hive and apply for support
https://www.uk.coop/the-hive/apply/pathway-1 Application guidance: https://www.uk.coop/the-hive/apply/guidance#pw1
Step 3 - Create a business plan
The business plan covers areas that are very similar to the feasibility study – but you must complete a feasibility study before you start on your business plan.
For a business plan workshop see here.
Step 4 - Set up a bank account for Yalla
Need to do a bit more research on this...but also Hive may be able to provide a bit of context concerning what a small cooperative should look for.
This bank account for cooperatives was mentioned on the cooperative UK site
Monzo also has a business account which has a lot of extra functionality including invoicing.
A Transferwise business account would streamline paying members who are outside of the UK as well as the process of being paid by clients outside of the UK. This may be especially important post-Brexit..