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Coordination between the layouts of both emacs/editor and a tileing window manager. #7

Open GoogleCodeExporter opened 9 years ago

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
I love ergoemacs so far, well most of the time. My terminal doesn't follow
the changed path, but this will happen at some time in the future if we
just want it enough.

Are any of you using a tileing window manager and has come up with a
ergoemacs compatible layout for either Awesome or Xmonad? We should
standardize it together with these new editor-keyboard mappings.

Original issue reported on code.google.com by ville.w...@gmail.com on 24 Mar 2009 at 12:37

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
i'd also love to see this standardized. Ideally, i think most of these keys 
should be 
at the OS level. I think there are some problems to actually have Apple 
incorporate 
it into OS X or MS for Windows. Because, basically it means a major change to 
all the 
shortcuts. Technically, there are also some problems to get it to work in OSX 
at 
least.

personally, i havn't tried to rely on OS wide such change either because there 
are 
several practical issues. On OS X for example, it simply won't work because it 
conflict with too many Mac's standard shortcuts in all apps with the Cmd key. 
If on 
goes with the ergoemacs binding, then one has to remap lots of Cmd shortcuts 
individually for each app (besides the few standards cmd bindings across os). 
The OS 
X's keybinding system is not able to do this completely or smoothly either, 
because 
some keys are bind at very low level that bypass the keybind system. On 
Windows, the 
situation is similar but i know the detail well. Don't know what's the 
situation with 
Linux or X11.

in practice, what i do is to always switch to emacs for text editing, than copy 
paste 
back to whatever app.

i do hope there's some movement on this... i think a key is to start with 
popularising this, getting more people to be aware of this, have more linux 
apps 
starting to use this. As awareness spread, then more and more app will adopt, 
tech 
will come to fix any existing problems, and possibly this ergonomic binding 
become 
standadized on word processor related apps as a input system.

Original comment by xah...@gmail.com on 15 Jul 2009 at 1:32

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I am using xmonad quite a while now and I have to say I works perfectly fine 
with
ErgoEmacs keybindings as long as you remap the 'Mod' key from Meta to somewhere 
else,
for instance the windows-logo key (sometimes called 'Super'). This way I have
everything from the WM in 'Super-Space' and everything from ErgoEmacs in
'Meta-Space', leaving the pinky-straining 'Ctrl-Space' to only a few, sparsely 
used
shortcuts. I think this is pretty much standard (at least among the xmond users 
i
know), however xmonad, as emacs, is all about customization and I do not see 
any form
of "official" standadization happening anywhere in the near future.

see
http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions#Rebinding_the_m
od_key_.28Alt_conflicts_with_other_apps.3B_I_want_the_____key.21.29

For the terminal, I suggest having a look at ~/.inputrc or if it does not exist
/usr/share/readline/inputrc, since bash as many other programs in the unix 
world make
use of the readline libraries, check it out there are plenty of tutorials and
dotfiles to rip from on the 'net. Alternatively, use zsh instead of bash, ZLE, 
the
zsh line editor beats the pants of readline at lenght.

I am currently playing with the thought of implementing global ergo-emacs like
shortcuts for windows in AHK or 'hoekey'. It should not be that hard, and I 
already
got (dvorak here) Alt-e and Alt-u for foreward and backward delete aswell as 
Alt-chtn
for arrow keys in hoekey overriding the menubar-activating Alt key... but I 
might not
find the time to produce something for the public (also: for qwerty users) in 
the
next few weeks.

greets,

Milan

Original comment by milan.santosi@gmail.com on 24 Sep 2009 at 4:21

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Interesting. I'd love to see OS X level integration as well. As for conflicts 
with the CMD key bindings, I notice that 
many of Ergoemacs' bindings use the Alt key as the modifier. I am no OS X 
expert but it's conceivable that you 
could use the option key instead. As a modifier in OS X the option key is only 
used to produce special characters. 
You could keep some of the relevant CMD-key bindings such as copy/paste/undo, 
but then use the option key to 
bind to emacs commands such as word-forward or delete-word. At present, the 
option key is used in 
combination with the directional keys to move forward by words, or delete whole 
words. However, it'd be great to 
not have to move off of the home row.

Original comment by aspicL...@gmail.com on 2 Jun 2010 at 8:25