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Traffic signs Preset for JOSM
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group name="A.Ways" group name="B.Traffic signs (by countries)" #13

Open d1g opened 8 years ago

d1g commented 8 years ago

First group

can be removed because it is almost equivalent to internal JOSM preset.

We have a planet-wide agreement about highway=* tags.

Same about surface= tag (not a country-specific tag) or tracktype=

Second group

Could be kept per every country. Thank you for the effort.

What resources were used by the way?

yopaseopor commented 8 years ago

I explain myself (sorry for my bad English) This preset was born because of the need of a easy way to tag in a complete style (more tags than only highway,oneway and ref) a way, with only few clicks, some kind of wizard. At first this preset was only Spanish (for Spain). So I made two sections: A. Vías (ways).

The intention was also a good tool, one-click preset, so we can complete a way with necessary tags in a fast way you can't found in a way, also surface for the tracks (and tracktypes, in Catalan community we have some firefighters working with OSM and it was a way to make easier their job of tagging tracks), oneway, noname (for the quality campaign 1carrer1nom -1street1name-)

But also In Spain the situation is not easy as tag highway can show you.You will think the more important way is better the way it is.No, amigo.Spain is different. Here it works: the more money the local, regional or whatever administration has, better the road it is. It is sad, but some Catalan - one of the reasons of "independence Catalan process is this- or Basque or Galician roads (autonomy government responsible) are better than National Spanish roads. So in Spain we have an "electric" discussion about that (you can see Spanish talk-es list mails like :

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-May/014001.html (in Spanish) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-May/014001.html or https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-May/014014.html (in Spanish) or http://yopaseopor.blogspot.com.es/2016/04/yomapeo-opinion-sobre-el-cambio-de.html (in Spanish with pics) and http://yopaseopor.blogspot.com.es/2016/05/yomapeo-opinion-sobre-el-cambio-de.html (in Spanish with pics)

So for this reason Spanish importance roads are not the same as highways tags. You can see the OSM wiki Normalization Spanish page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Normalizaci%C3%B3n .So because the utility of the preset in Spain we have this group in all the presets (I think in a future presets options will be adapted to each country with each pic of different refs, as Spanish now is).

B. Traffic signs (the complete set of 300 traffic signs set up in Spanish traffic laws (BOE).

As the preset grew up and finished Spanish traffic signs I was thinking what about other countries, and I started to search in taginfo, osm wiki and thought it would be a good idea to add...other European countries traffic signs? Why not? I started with France, because is the country near Spain...but it was so hard to translate code one by one...so first I had to organize that. So I thought again...other European countries like Belgium, The Nederlands... And started to consult the different European traffic laws to search for the code of every traffic sign...First I have made Belgium because is the lowest amount: 90+ I remember.Then I see Taginfo for search the most used: It was not onlyGermany, it was The Nederlands or Finland. But it was so hard and loong loong time to translate every code in every position.I don't know anything about programming so...I try do the best I can when I can )

Also there was other dilemma, if traffic signs code are not unified in OSM (only a few: city_limit,stop,give_way,maxheight,maxaxleload,masweight,maxspeed) which preset is better: a preset where you can choose the traffic sign and then choose the country (to had the code and style could identify it - possibility of use all the Spanish code and order to make the preset) or first you choose the country and then the traffic sign (possibility to add your country to toolbar and only use that country)

I have chosen the country option. I was personally interested only in Spanish traffic signs. I have finished Spanish, Belgium and Dutch traffic signs...wait a minute , with only some Eurpean countries...what about others big countries...like the USA?? What kind of traffic signs do they use - In overpass I see an Spanish traffic sign code in Texas - What law is? What system? I returned to search in wikipedia's, osm wiki, and so one and found the MUTCD system.

Other problem: this preset is for JOSM. I am not a programmer so I make a lot of mistakes that JOSM test doesn't like. The builders of JOSM tell me, Hey man! your preset is breaking our tests...and our program, you can make that or that, hey there are some mistakes you have to fix (I will thank them all my life for their help). And the biggest problem: Now the preset is bigger than JOSM itself.You have to split it. But I f I have to split it...Will I have to do 25 presets???? Really now 29. A big error in my JOSM out of memory made me to split the preset. So now every preset is a "structure clone" of each other: with ways and traffic signs.

As finishing all the presets will be a big work for the years (in taginfo https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/projects/traffic_signs#tags you can see 25315 different options) with the help of Catalan Community I have found a way to "build" an emergency option to show all the different kinds of traffic signs per country with the only option to locate it in the way (direction forward, backward, and also side: right,left,up,down). Spanish preset is finished with all the options (you have also the option to customize confirmation/orientation/destination traffic signs) and in future I will port this option to other countries with their traffic signs. Also the presets works with traffic_signs style and with JOSM's Kendzi3D plug-in

The basic resources are: traffic laws of every country and Wikipedia and OSM wiki with pages like http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign. My intention is to add...ALL the traffic signs of the ENTIRE WORLD.

The preset(s) is in construction, do you want to add something? some country? translate it? Help would be appreciated. Salut i senyals de trànsit yopaseopor

d1g commented 8 years ago

@yopaseopor, quick reply about highway=* in Spain

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Normalizaci%C3%B3n&direction=next&oldid=92268 states about different approach since 13 April 2008

Please note that most of the times we follow the administrative classification and not the actual road conditions.

We agreed to follow highway=* definition in 2010: "relative importance in the graph":

importance for the road grid (hierarchical position in the interconnecting network) instead of physical attributes.

This means: 1. independent from surface condition

Extended Russian definition

In 2010 for Russia, we also agreed to explicitly extend this to: 2. independent from local authorities and their claims - because their claims of "status" are often not usable in routing software or to recognize practical road importance.

Basically we picked top cities, and decided when they should be connected using specific hw=* class; classes were picked based on our local traffic knowledge and observations (not status at sign or on paper) and tried to explain it using "definitions" at wiki once.

2010 Russian highway=* definition means that you can have a road unrecognised by authorities, with terrible surface, but used by locals (5000-50000) as tertiary-secondary.