NL: NL sign tagging not complete, forward/backward.

[AllroadsNL]

Presets must be well considered and do not have tagging failures in it, before you let the mappers use it. A basic rule, do not give people the opportunity to make failures.

Failures are bad for the quality of routing.

For example NL:C12

Your code:

`

                <check key="traffic_sign:forward" text="Forward" ca.text="En el sentit de la marxa" es.text="En el sentido de la marcha" default="off" value_off="" value_on="NL:C12" />
                <check key="traffic_sign:backward" text="Backward" ca.text="En sentit contrari" es.text="En sentido contrario" default="off" value_off="" value_on="NL:C12" />

`

But the NL sign says: Gesloten voor alle motorvoertuigen translated : Closed for all motorvehicles. But the law writes what a motorvehicle is. motorvoertuigen: alle gemotoriseerde voertuigen behalve bromfietsen, fietsen met trapondersteuning en gehandicaptenvoertuigen, bestemd om anders dan langs rails te worden voortbewogen; Basicly: All motorvehicles without moped(mofa), bicycles with motor pedals support and disabledvehicles.

This means that moped and mofa is still allowed, must be set "yes". Sign is mostly on one side of road, from the other side you can drive in, visit a house, entrance of farmland, or just turning on road, even if you turn 50 meters at the back of this traffic_sign, you can drive back. For routing this is important people who have a house on this road (or visitors) and start routing, they must start right or left. Not the whole road can be tagged. Mostly first 50 meters should be correct.

So forward and backward must be set for all transportation mode. Unfortunately this can not me done with one checkbox forward/backward. This example 4 times setting forward/backward.

This is the reason why I make this issue; Is there a possibility to set once forward/backward for all keys?

This give me this code:

`

            <key key="moped" value="yes" />
            <space />
            <label text="Warning, sign probably one side, use forward/backward !! on small part of road"/>
            <space />
            <check key="traffic_sign:forward" text="Forward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="NL:C12" />
            <check key="traffic_sign:backward" text="Backward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="NL:C12" />                
            <check key="motor_vehicle:forward" text="Forward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="no" />
            <check key="motor_vehicle:backward" text="Backward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="no" />
            <check key="mofa:forward" text="Forward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="yes" />
            <check key="mofa:backward" text="Backward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="yes" />
            <check key="moped:forward" text="Forward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="yes" />
            <check key="moped:backward" text="Backward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="yes" /> `

Optional `

`

There is not a tag for disabled motorized vehicle, when there is, this must also be in the code.

Then we have also many undersigns, white shield, that changes the upper sign. Example: Uitgezonderd bestemmingsverkeer Translation: Excluded destination traffic.

`

            <check key="motor_vehicle:forward" text="Forward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="destination" />
            <check key="motor_vehicle:backward" text="Backward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="destination" />
            <check key="mofa:forward" text="Forward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="yes" />
            <check key="mofa:backward" text="Backward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="yes" />
            <check key="moped:forward" text="Forward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="yes" />
            <check key="moped:backward" text="Backward motor_vehicle" default="off" value_off="" value_on="yes" />`

And many other combinations.

We discussed situations like this in the forum, then with a NL:C6 sign Also a cut way and on this point a the trafficsign, but also what we see the traffic_sign pole as a node. One feature one element, tag what we see. We also have the discussion of a in front 0 with some signs, example C1 in C01. Many think it should be C01.

All these undersigns makes it complicated.

moped and mofa allowed !!

And a motorcycle can come from opposite direction.( if there are no signs on the other side). Therefore forward/backward is needed.

Under sign OB05 means: Uitgezonderd motorvoertuigen die niet sneller kunnen of mogen rijden dan 25 km/h. Translated: Excluded motorvehicles that can not or may not go faster then 25km/h. This icon is not the same as the OSM access agricultural icon. Agricultural are vehicles used by farmers The Netherlands group is much wider till 25km/h

OB05, our goverment do not give this undersigns a number, they only say; You need to use a white shield, black letters or icons from traffic signs to express different situation The united traffic signs producers, agreed on OB05. They use always a 0 in front of single numbers 0 with 5. They do this also for traffic signs. C01.

Often there are two traffic signs on one pole, each traffic sign with there own undersign.

Hope you understand by taking a example the problems for Netherlands traffic sign tagging.

Making a presets for every country, it seems like this is the way to tag. When done wrong, people make mistakes.

[AllroadsNL]

Sorry, this must be written in the presets section. How can I change that? https://github.com/yopaseopor/traffic_signs_preset_JOSM/issues

[AllroadsNL]

I just copied past it to

https://github.com/yopaseopor/traffic_signs_preset_JOSM/issues/15