Open red1org opened 6 years ago
z5k1
commented
6 years ago 额，完全跑偏了。看来Red1不了解你所说的那些术语。
我的观点：
iDempiere在工业领域大有可为。原因：平台开放，JAVA红利。比如： 1.1 IoT、数据采集、条码应用 1.2 数据驾驶舱 1.3 智能货架 1.4 业务流程自动化（BPM） 1.5 多组织应用 制造的核心是基础数据，iD尽量在这个平台上搭建边缘应用，而不要搞专业的MRP和APS，除非你可以。
我觉得demo-case不是核心需求，如果团队对技术无法快速学习，也许更需要一个培训。 关键是行业应用非常容易被商业保护，除非别人是推广这个方案。 或者一个有经验的Leader可以解决你的问题。
个人观点，欢迎指正。
red1org
commented
6 years ago I am reading up from the Internet about this such as http://www.europeanchamber.com.cn/en/upcoming-events/11057/_Made_in_China_2025_China_s_answer_to_Industry_4.0 but i see it is still on the political propagation and not into the technical aspects. So the original question raise by Liu Kiu is a good spark in that direction.
What one has to think more about is the infrastructure preparation and of course interfaces or protocols and standards of communicating with each other.
What z5k1 touched on is seeing how iDempiere fit into such objects, but i feel iDempiere is not a product suite of ready made objects (even if it has it won't be suitable across a fragmented industrial langscape).
What i see more is the use of iDempiere as framework which again points to the evolution i am seeking with Ninja and now the Wukong concept
I can now answer this from that point of view:
Firstly we should be aware that when we speak of broad integration, we are talking of two issues.
a. The need to define a protocol to let everyone talk to each other on the same page.
i. The use of OSGi is a broad enterprise java componentatisation and programming concept to solve such an agile but advance enterprise component building requirement. I won't go into detail what OSGi is in this regard as you can search for more information on this. What i want to give is my experience in its usage is that OSGi allow wrapping of any POJO or simple java jar as an OSGi plugin so that it can then be identified in the general OSGi container.
ii. Eclipse IBM uses this with its Equinox version, but Heng Sin moves iDempiere more towards industry standard of declared services in the OSGi - xmls. What this means is still the broad coupling between java components as any further tighter definition will be restrictive.
Looking in the broader war of standards between proprietary vendors such as IBM with Microsoft, Apple, Google etc, keeping usage as loose as possible is a good agile policy. I wouldn't know if any policy is defined and if anyone knows do please post here the link so i can translate and read further.
Observing how China thinks from me been here these few weeks, I think China wants to talk to everything but yet be in control. It is thus fantastic for iDempiere to play a part due to: A. Been under GPL licensing, it is of public domain and allow variants and distros and even forks to be derived from it to be localised and made self owned and copyrighted by China though still maintaining the GPL condition for sharing thereof.
B. Having superior and sufficent brain power behind its design and experience in applying all over the world handling the most massive taxation regime in Brazil to modern Banking EDIFACT in Germany to all sorts of multi tenant issues.
C. Me as a pioneer behind this generation of Compiere to ADempiere to iDempiere and been a foreign Chinese or Asian of close proximity can lend to the learning curve and roadmap evolution. This assume that the success of such a project needs real subject matter expertise and i am here to be of any help.
red1org
commented
6 years ago Perhaps a person to meet and discuss with is Mr Quan HU, President and Chief Economist, China Academy of Industry 4.0. I found a description of his role here http://www.europeanchamber.com.cn/en/upcoming-events/9558/China_Manufacturing_2025_Industry_4.0
From his tasks stated, certainly we can propose to him to consider iDempiere with its public license, OSGi framework, agile AD, manufacturing model of product inventory, warehouse locator movement, supply chain components as a contender for consideration.
Anyone knows him or how to get in contact with him?
In my email yesterday,
1.1 A local copy of the original with value adding and add-ons is often called a Distro. So China can has its own Made in China distro of iDempiere.
1.2 I will assist and advice in the legality as Open Source is still licensed under GPL public license which protects its freedom to continue doing so ad infinitum.
1.3 We in the top community leadership disallow instant use of the 'iDempiere' name and thus we encourage China to have its own distro name such as 'ShangHaiPiere'
1.4 Managing and maintaining even a distro that is based on a core is big work and thus i encourage the China community to unite on one sole distro. I as the global leader will promote that only.
1.5 We can discuss this among the present community and if this goes well then I will be out of the way. I am here just to support and not interfere.
In order to produce a local Made in China distro: a. China must have its own translation repository which already started by Peter Shen Ziping since Compiere days in early 2000s. b. There must be an active community to constantly upgrade its distro with the latest core iDempiere changes, submit bug trackers, and remedy patches for consideration by the core Circle of Trust leaders in the project. c. There must be ready made easy to use distro with full Chinese localisation including documentation.
There should be a society or non profit organisation to help train and certify users and implementors. 3.1 Proceeds from such training and certification can help sustain the contributors and society. 3.2 Such a society can then work closely with other academic or institutions to promote 'ShanghaiPiere' as a free tool and suite to be used without proprietary restrictions. 3.3 The stronger and active the community is will allow many other objectives such as the one suggested by Liu above i.e. to integrate to other apps and provide learning content to be shared.
I have always been an advocate of Information is Free, You have to Know, and thus started writing and sharing in my http://red1.org/adempiere since 2004 that unite the Compiere community together for the Adempiere fork in September 2006 and again in 2011 for iDempiere fork. 4.1 Sharing free information ensures the project survival. I have been doing it so actively because i enjoy it as a passion. I hate office work and merely coding whole day without a life. I love travelling, making good friends and write about my experiences.
If you share my same passion do come and collaborate together, enjoy the journey and help each other. In due time i believe China's distro will gain success and build a large user base that is also profitable to consultants and pioneer contributors will be branded to be the best consultants.