Remove unnecessary extra steps

zeebe-io / zeebe-modeler

Desktop Application for modeling Zeebe Workflows with BPMN

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Remove unnecessary extra steps #270

Closed ultraschuppi closed 4 years ago

ultraschuppi commented 4 years ago

Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.

The default path for creating a new zeebe model from scratch does not produce a deployable zeebe model. Extra steps are needed that I see as not necessary.

Describe the solution you'd like

default task-type should be Service-Task. The standard task is not accepted on deployment anyway, so maybe just make service-task the default?
even after selecting service-task as the task-type, I need to manually fill in 'type' in the properties panel under details. what about having a default there?

Ideal click path:

open zeebe modeller
add task after existing start event
add end-event
deploy

pinussilvestrus commented 4 years ago

Feels a bit like we're turning in circles since we actively removed this a while ago, cf. https://github.com/zeebe-io/zeebe-modeler/issues/113

Seems like there was also some discussion around this after we made those changes, cf. https://github.com/zeebe-io/zeebe-modeler/issues/204#issuecomment-612156555

Minimize the steps to create a deployable diagram makes a lot of sense to me, especially if we find out the current default won't be deployable any time soon.

MaxTru commented 4 years ago

Will take this to PM alignment with Volker next Tuesday

ultraschuppi commented 4 years ago

sorry, haven't caught up on the history of all of this yet ;-)

my expectation as a user:

I should only see stuff in the zeebe modeler that is actually supported by zeebe
for first time users it should be as easy as possible to come up with a deployable model, w/o the need to read through docs or howtos too much

nikku commented 4 years ago

We've discussed this internally and decided that we'll not go back to service task first modeling. The reason is many-fold but in summary https://github.com/zeebe-io/zeebe-modeler/issues/204#issuecomment-612156555 still applies.

What we'll do in the future is carefully examine the getting started (and getting to production) journey. There is many things we can do in that realm, including guiding users in "what does it mean to make a task executable" in a tutorial style fashion. Alternatives include ready made templates that they just need to press "deploy" on, no modeling at all involved.

This comment applies to the Zeebe Modeler as an app. Down the toolkit level it is fairly trivial to implement a service-task only mode as a bpmn-js extension or even a Zeebe Modeler plug-in.

ultraschuppi commented 4 years ago

thanks for elaborating @nikku