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"Monster" KORD Map #387

Closed siyuanr closed 7 years ago

siyuanr commented 8 years ago

@tedrek I saw you wanting to make a difficult Chicago O'HARE map in #284, and I just went ahead and have made a draft in my fork. All the necessary waypoints are there, and I am going to add the STAR routes later.

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Maverick283 commented 8 years ago

Wow this looks... Challenging! This is gonna need a huge amount of traffic all at once :D

siyuanr commented 8 years ago

Mostly done. All waypoints, STARs, departures angles are in place. A few remarks:

Maverick283 commented 8 years ago

While this is a list of airlines flying in and out of O'Hare (same in wikipedia but with destinations) this is what I got using this table (Opened on 02/11/2016 15:45 UTC) and some excel magic...

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Note how the sum does not add up, that is because I removed the bottom ones...

This data is only somewhat representing the actual takeoffs and landings of the airlines as it is a snapshot with the range of only one day.

The full spreadsheet can be viewed here. If you copy and paste a new list in the first couple columns, the list on the side will automatically update and list all entries of the list you pasted. To get a list, just go here, and copy paste one of the two lists below the map. Should work for any airport btw. If oyu know what you are doing in excel, feel free to unlock the sheets, the password is "GithubATC". If you don't know what you're doing, for your own sake keep it locked, that way you can't mess up anything ;)

erikquinn commented 8 years ago

^That should cover your needs, but for future reference, I actually highly recommend flightstats. They'll suppress codeshares, which I didn't see a way to do on the flightradar24 page. Between flightstats and flightaware, you really have everything you need. http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByAirport.do?airportQueryType=0 http://flightaware.com/ http://flightaware.com/statistics/ifr-route/

Maverick283 commented 8 years ago

Ohhhh Codeshare.... Didn't think about that... ^^ I don't really find the key information on those pages, it just a list with deps and arrs and you'd have to count them by hand or am I missing something? As I didn't want to count them by hand and thought this problem will occur more often I tried to figure out a way to get this data by a program (in this case: excel). I edited the excel so that it too suppresses codeshare flights. It gets a lot more boring though, as there is pretty much only United flying in and out...

siyuanr commented 8 years ago

I use STATA to manipulate the departure data on Feb. 11, 2016. To suppress codeshare flights I simply drop those entries with "^" (then tabulate the "Carrier" data entries):

drop if strpos("Flight", "^")!=0
tab Carrier

The results are astonishing. Clean departure data is on the left, while the codeshare tainted data in on the right. It goes to show how much of a presence British Airways has built using codeshares:

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I plan to use the percentage number as weight.

A big problem encountered during the mapping process is the airlines and aircraft models. I am weighing between submitting a lump-sum pull request with maps, airlines and aircraft changes, or filing them separately:

siyuanr commented 8 years ago

@Maverick283 I think codeshare is a lesser cause for the dominance of Untied (and American, Delta for that matter) at KORD. The problem is that FlightRadar24 does not distinguish between those actually run by United and those run by the minor companies (ExpressJet, GoJet, etc.). FlightAware does distinguish between these flights though, but they stubbornly displays only 40 flights per page, so copying the amount of 24 hours is a huge project.

sixeyeco commented 8 years ago

Excel's Data/From Web feature would make this easier, particularly since flightaware uses predictable url's.

To get the fisrt 20: https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KSFO To get the next 20: http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KSFO/arrivals?;offset=20;order=actualarrivaltime;sort=DESC Edit the url to add another 20 to "offset=20"

I did the first 140 or so for KSFO but you can edit it to any airport on flightware.

Open this workbook, hit CTRL+ALT+F5. Then, filter out blanks and "type" in column B for a clean list.

Flight-data.xlsx

siyuanr commented 8 years ago

@sixeyeco Thanks for the excel file! I had to change it a little bit because in Germany (where I am) the default website you see is different than the one you would in the US.

I decided to put #382 on hold (waiting for #324 anyway), delete the branch and start anew. The KORD pull request would incorporate the airport map and any new or edited airlines going in and out of the airport. I've completed all the statistical work (see Excel file attached). A few remarks before starting:

KORD.xlsx

erikquinn commented 8 years ago

@siyuanr Is KORD done? I'd love to see it merged in here!

erikquinn commented 7 years ago

KORD has been added via PR #648. Thanks @Fechulo! :wink: