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Update old European airports? #650

Closed Alpi-no closed 7 years ago

Alpi-no commented 8 years ago

I have been going through many european airports today and I realised, most of them are pretty outdated and don't live up to our standards (stars/transitions, terrain,...). I currently don't have time to work on them but if anyone has, I think EGLL, EDDF and EHAM should be updated first. Maybe we should start a checklist or something similar to rework some airports.

eliuuk commented 8 years ago

EBBR needs to be finished too.

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I have been going through many european airports today and I realised, most of them are pretty outdated and don't live up to our standards (stars/transitions, terrain,...). I currently don't have time to work on them but if anyone has, I think EGLL, EDDF and EHAM should be updated first. Maybe we should start a checklist or something similar to rework some airports.

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Alpi-no commented 8 years ago

It's not just EBBR, I think it's basically all the European airports but Vienna

eliuuk commented 8 years ago

EBBR still has NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST SIDs though :p

eliuuk commented 8 years ago

I'll start with EHAM now

Alpi-no commented 8 years ago

I think we should do this in 3-4 stages being 1: sids and stars currently in use (depending on the wind) 2. transitions 3. FIR zone & terrain 4. whatever is left I think only 1 and 2 should be done at the moment because they cover the basics and as the wind doesn't change, we don't technically have the need for all transitions

Fechulo commented 8 years ago

Here's a list of the changes that have to be made to European airports:

EBBR:

EDDF: - Update STAR's - Terrain - Charts can be found here

EDDH: - Update STAR's - Terrain? (I don't think there's any terrain higher than 1000ft in the area surrounding EDDH) - Charts can be found here

EDDM:

EDDT:

EGCC:

EGGW:

EGKK:

EGLC:

EGLL:

EGNM:

EHAM: - Update SID's + STAR's (There's 80 SID's!!!!!!) - Terrain? (I don't think there's any terrain higher than 1000ft in the area surrounding EHAM) - Reallistic airspace - Charts can be found here

EIDW:

EINN:

ENGM:

ESPA:

LKPR:

LTBA:

I'm definitely willing to help with the terrain on some of these airports, but it's gonna take a while. Additionally, these are only the European airport, there's still many other airports not on this list which also require updating.

eliuuk commented 8 years ago

@Fechulo Some of the Scandinavian airports may have interesting terrain. For EGCC, there are the Pennines. I can't contribute much to terrain contribution as the natural neighbour part just freezes up my PC ;c

Fechulo commented 8 years ago

@indianbhaji That's no problem, I'm willing to help out with the terrain. :smile:

Alpi-no commented 8 years ago

Thank you for doing that! @Fechulo In case of EDDM, terrain isn't that much of problem because I don't think it affects the airport. The alps are rather far way. And adding transitions will be a lot of work as well! @indianbhaji one of the most interesting airports for terrain is LOWI! We should add that :D

eliuuk commented 8 years ago

Definitely LOWI! Missed that out :p

Alpi-no commented 8 years ago

I love LOWI :D such a beautiful and complicated airport

eliuuk commented 8 years ago

EGNM is also European @Fechulo

Fechulo commented 8 years ago

@indianbhaji I don't think it needs any updating. SID's are up to date, there's no STAR's in real life either and I don't think terrain is needed.

eliuuk commented 8 years ago

@Fechulo EGNM is the highest airport in the UK at around 600ft, if anything we could just try using the EGCC terrain as it's not that far out.

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@indianbhaji https://github.com/indianbhaji I don't think it needs any updating. SID's are up to date, there's no STAR's in real life either and I don't think terrain is needed.

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Fechulo commented 8 years ago

@indianbhaji You're right, there is terrain, my bad. I'll update the list.

eliuuk commented 8 years ago

I'll start Heathrow.

Fechulo commented 8 years ago

I'll take Hamburg (EDDH). Updated with #662

eliuuk commented 8 years ago

I'll start München (EDDM). If someone could assist with terrain, it'll be greatly appreciated!

scott-j-smith commented 7 years ago

Hi All,

Don't know if this thread is still active, but I wonder if anyone still plans to review EGKK (Gatwick)? I think there is something wrong with the LAM SID, because when I clear those departures (caf cvs) they just keep circling & climbing forever (maybe around KKN43?). See screen shot: image

I looked through the EGKK JSON file without really knowing what I'm doing, and here is what I found for the SID:

"sids": { "LAM": { "icao": "LAM", "name": "Lambourne", "suffix": {"08R":"1Z", "26L":"1X"}, "rwy": { "08R": [["KKE02", "A20+|K250"], ["KKE12", "A30+"]], "26L": [["KKW04", "A25+|K220"], ["KKN06", "A30+|K220"], ["KKE14", "A40-|K250"]] }, "body": [["SUNAV", "A5000"], ["KKE35", "A5000"], ["KKN43", "A5000"], ["KKN48", "A6000"], ["LAM", "A6000"]], "draw": [["KKE02", "KKE12"], ["KKW04", "KKN06", "KKE14", "SUNAV", "KKE35", "KKN43", "KKN48", "LAM"]] },

It appears they should climb from FL50 at KKN43 to FL60 at KKN48 and continue to LAM and depart, but they aren't doing that? Not sure if I'm reading it correctly though.

Thanks, Scott

eliuuk commented 7 years ago

Most of us are still waiting for V3 to come out. Gatwick seems to have the circling bug, @erikquinn?

Fechulo commented 7 years ago

@scott-j-smith @indianbhaji the circling bug at EGKK is due to my stupidity. The restrictions aren't written correctly. They're correct but the way I wrote them isn't. Instead of K250 it should be S250 and instead of A6000 it should be A60. As @indianbhaji said we're all waiting for v3 but I'll fix it as soon as it's out.

scott-j-smith commented 7 years ago

Thank you for the responses and explanations. Happy to hear that development and improvements are still ongoing to this sim.

Scott

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@scott-j-smith https://github.com/scott-j-smith @indianbhaji https://github.com/indianbhaji the circling bug at EGKK is due to my stupidity. The restrictions aren't written correctly. They're correct but the way I wrote them isn't. Instead of K250 it should be S250 and instead of A6000 it should be A60. As @indianbhaji https://github.com/indianbhaji said we're all waiting for v3 but I'll fix it as soon as it's out.

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erikquinn commented 7 years ago

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