Supplement number

[fbennett]

Secondary legal reference works are often published as supplements to a standard work, in multiple editions. An example can be found in OSCOLA at section 3.2.1:

Gareth Jones, Goff and Jones: The Law of Restitution (1st supp, 7th edn, Sweet & Maxwell 2009)

Propose adding a numeric "supplement" variable to CSL and to Zotero, with English label "Supplement" in Zotero and matching variable name.

[avram]

What types would this be added to?

[avram]

So this is a document entitled "Goff and Jones: The Law of Restitution", and it's a supplement to a standard work by Sweet and Maxwell? Or is Sweet and Maxwell the publisher? If so, do supplements have distinct names and authors from those of the standard work? And is the edition information specific to the supplement (7th edition of the 1st supplement), or to the standard work.

[fbennett]

Sweet & Maxwell are the publishers. The supplements are issued against a particular edition. I don't know in what form this particular one is distributed, but a common method is to provide a slot on the inside of one cover, into which the back page of the supplement (printed on pulp paper, without binding) is inserted. Here's a link to the work itself:

http://www.thomsonreuters.com.au/catalogue/ProductDetails.asp?ID=10216

[avram]

Interesting. Not long ago we had a request for "printing", in addition to the existing "edition". Perhaps we could add another numeric field; we have "volume" and "edition" and we could add "supplement" (or some other name) to cover printing and supplement. The case of fascicles, the unit of incremental publication frequently used for dictionaries, but also by Donald Knuth for The Art of Computer Programming, might also be analogous here, especially where it's a unit of revision, as in the OED case.

[rmzelle]

If I understand things correctly, "printing" and "supplement" are very different things, so we should probably tackle them separately. Whereas supplements concern completely new material that is published to accompany a previous publication, a printing is a versioned release of a specific edition (i.e. the result of a press run).

(as an aside, in my experience with Dutch literature, "printing" ("druk" in Dutch) is a very common piece bibliographic information, although I don't know if it appears often in bibliographies)

[bwiernik]

I don't think I've ever seen the printing of a book cited in a bibliography. Do we need to add a printing variable? @denismaier @bdarcus @adam3smith

[denismaier]

I don't think I've ever seen the printing of a book cited in a bibliography.

Me neither. It's common to see this kind of information in books, and it may even appear in library catalogs, but I can't remember having seen that in a bibliography. (Perhaps there are some edge cases where you need this...)

[denismaier]

But what about supplements and fascicles? That sounds reasonable.

Edit: I just realize supplement should be ok already, but what about fascicles?

[bwiernik]

I think fascicle is coverable by part and part-title.

[denismaier]

So then Zotero label here as well?

[bdarcus]

Can you not add labels and such Denis?

I thought I gave you same rights as Brenton.

[bwiernik]

It’s on my list to add Zotero labels to all of these. I just didn’t do it until I actually made the commits.

[rmzelle]

I don't think I've ever seen the printing of a book cited in a bibliography.

https://www.ntvg.nl/system/files/publications/1992114800001a.pdf (https://www.ntvg.nl/artikelen/abc-nutrition-0/volledig) mentions the printing in a book review (it's a page from a Dutch medical journal):

A.S.Truswell, ABC of nutrition. 2e druk. 106 bl., fig., tabellen. British Medical Journal, Londen 1992. ISBN 0-7279-0315-2. Prijs: ingen. £ 10,50.

"2e druk" is second printing.

It's my understanding that printings can differ significantly, especially in literature. E.g. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uitgeefgeschiedenis_van_Max_Havelaar discusses the differences/history behind all the various printings of one of the most famous classic Dutch novels. The Wikipedia pages also cites the various printings:

Vierde druk, Max Havelaar, 1875, p. 344, Vijfde druk, 1881, p. 350, noot 1, VW-I, blz. 309

[denismaier]

Can you not add labels and such Denis? I thought I gave you same rights as Brenton.

I can add them in schema, evolution and documentation (I think). But not here. (But soon that might not be necessary anyway....)

[denismaier]

I don't think I've ever seen the printing of a book cited in a bibliography.

https://www.ntvg.nl/system/files/publications/1992114800001a.pdf (https://www.ntvg.nl/artikelen/abc-nutrition-0/volledig) mentions the printing in a book review (it's a page from a Dutch medical journal):

A.S.Truswell, ABC of nutrition. 2e druk. 106 bl., fig., tabellen. British Medical Journal, Londen 1992. ISBN 0-7279-0315-2. Prijs: ingen. £ 10,50.

"2e druk" is second printing.

Well, the British national library has 2nd edition here: http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/display.do?frbrVersion=4&tabs=moreTab&ct=display&fn=search&doc=BLL01007748616&indx=1&recIds=BLL01007748616&recIdxs=0&elementId=0&renderMode=poppedOut&displayMode=full&frbrVersion=4&frbg=&&dscnt=0&scp.scps=scope%3A%28BLCONTENT%29&vl(2084770704UI0)=any&tb=t&vid=BLVU1&mode=Basic&srt=rank&tab=local_tab&dum=true&vl(freeText0)=Abc of nutrition &dstmp=1590645798891

[denismaier]

It's my understanding that printings can differ significantly, especially in literature. E.g. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uitgeefgeschiedenis_van_Max_Havelaar discusses the differences/history behind all the various printings of one of the most famous classic Dutch novels. The Wikipedia pages also cites the various printings:

Vierde druk, Max Havelaar, 1875, p. 344, Vijfde druk, 1881, p. 350, noot 1, VW-I, blz. 309

That's a good one. I can imagine printing will be of use for older books, e.g., those before 1900.

[bwiernik]

Seems like printing should be added?

[denismaier]

Yes, I think so. I don't think it will do much harm.