Handle whole conference volume

[adam3smith]

While not super-common, an entire conference proceeding can be cited, here is MLA 7th ed. for example: Brady, Brigid, and Patricia Verrone, eds. Proceedings of the Northeast Region Annual Meeting, Conference on Christianity and Literature: Christ Plays in Ten-Thousand Places: The Christ-Figure in Text and Interpretation. 22 Oct. 2005, Caldwell Coll. N.p.:Northeast Regional Conf. on Christianity and Lit., n.d. Print. (bold for highlighting the conference specific parts). Similar instructions exist in the NLM manual. In CSL this is trivial - this is just a book with event data and place. In Zotero however, we would either need to add a new item type or we would need to add event place and date to book items. Neither of those are great choice.

[adam3smith]

Zotero thread here: https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/32858/conf-conference-paper-vs-conference-proceeding/#Item_39

[Jmuccigr]

Picking a nit here, but I'm not sure how uncommon this is. Bibliographies in which individual works are cited within a large work will typically also include the larger work. Using the example above, for instance:

Muccigrosso and Smith...in Brady and Verrone (2005).

would then require an entry for Brady and Verrone's larger work.

[adam3smith]

According to which style guide? I've never seen that requirement. Zotero also wouldn't do that automatically and (lacking hierarchical item types and significant changes to CSL) wouldn't even have a way to do this without manually adding that item to the bibliography.

[bwiernik]

Annual Reviews' author-date style uses that format. It appears to mostly be a method to save space.

[adam3smith]

wait - which format? John says to cite both, which clearly doesn't save space. Are you saying AR just cites the parent item not the chapter?

[Jmuccigr]

MLA has: conference proceedings in section 5.5.21, for example. I don't think it specifies that the proceedings should be included in any biblio where a paper is cited (I'm not sure it says anything on how to assemble a biblio), but I can guarantee you that it's common in books I read. (Just pulled one out to check.) I suspect that depends on the publisher, and it may be that you list the book when there is more than one part of it cited elsewhere.

Point is, it's not uncommon in my experience to see an edited collection of some kind cited in a bibliography, regardless of how Zotero might export it.

[adam3smith]

Edited collections are supported by Zotero already via the book item type. I agree those are cited a fair amount, though I only see them in the bibliography when the whole work is actually cited in the text. That'd be the standard norm. Anything else would be impossible to do automatically. This is specifically for conference proceedings cited as a whole, which I'm still convinced is very rare.

[bwiernik]

When multiple chapters from a single volume are cited, the AR uses the following structure:

Editor, ed. (2013). Book title. Place: Publisher. Smith (2013), see Editor (2013), pp. 123-135. Johnson (2013), see Editor (2013), pp. 136-145.

[adam3smith]

ah OK, yes, I've seen that. I don't really see that happening w/o hierarchical item types, though, so that's a slightly different topic.

[Jmuccigr]

For me the issue is that the book type leaves out things like date and location of conference, so while it works pretty well, it's not entirely effective (as has been noted above).

[bwiernik]

Many conference proceedings are published in journal form, rather than as books. Sometimes, it is an entirely separate journal (e.g., Academy of Management Proceedings). Other times, it is a special issue in another journal (e.g., the annual conference issue of the Journal for Research in Personality). The Conference Paper item format can accommodate both of these formats, but it would probably be good to ensure that a Conference Proceedings item could also accommodate both.

[adam3smith]

right. Or handle them in book and periodical item type respectively.

[zuphilip]

For LNCS (famous book series with most proceedings in computer science), all this information (event date and location) is already printed on the title page and therefore is part of the title or subtitle, e.g. LNCS 8796 on Springer, in DBLP, in a library catalogue: The title of the proceeding is "The Semantic Web – ISWC 2014" and the subtitle is "13th International Semantic Web Conference, Riva del Garda, Italy, October 19-23, 2014. Proceedings, Part I". I fear that any citation which would include the subtitle and event place or evant date would like strange here.

[gracile-fr]

Not uncommon in French citations or bibliographies. But the event date and place are not part of the title, they are usually distinguished from it (I know a library catalogue can't be authoritative but see this). Just my two cents...

[bwiernik]

Would it be best to handle LNCS at the style level? Computer science styles wouldn't include the event information while other styles might? Alternatively, it could just be assumed that users would not enter event information in the LNCS metadata, given that it is included in the title.

[bwiernik]

For CSL, I think handling whole conference proceedings as book or periodical is the best path.