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Pages (for letter) #9

Open avram opened 13 years ago

avram commented 13 years ago

The "# of Pages" (numPages) field (mapped to number-of-pages in CSL) should be added to letter.

Not mentioned in the forums, but this is pretty basic information.

avram commented 13 years ago

It would also make sense to add "Place" and "Medium". If we add medium, then perhaps email could be merged with "letter" at some point in the future.

rmzelle commented 13 years ago

If https://github.com/ajlyon/zotero-bits/issues#issue/6 goes through, we'd probably want "Event Place"/eventPlace (the place where the letter was written) instead of "Place".

erazlogo commented 13 years ago

There is an old ticket to add place to letters: https://www.zotero.org/trac/ticket/1565

Examples from Chicago:

Gilbert McMicken to Alexander Morris, 29 November 1881, Glasgow (Scotland), Document 1359, fol. 1r, Alexander Morris Papers, MG-12-84, Provincial Archives of Manitoba, Winnipeg.

Henry Adams to Charles Milnes Gaskell, London, 30 March 1868, in Letters of Henry Adams, 1858–1891, ed. Worthington Chauncey Ford (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1930), 141.

erazlogo commented 13 years ago

On pages--most letters are 1-2 pages long so it hasn't been a big issue but sure, why not add this field/info as well.

rmzelle commented 13 years ago

We need more fields to cover those examples, including "Publisher" and "Publisher Place".

erazlogo commented 13 years ago

Well, the second example cannot be covered until the hierarchical system because it's a letter published in a book. But for the first example, we only need eventPlace.

rmzelle commented 7 years ago

The "# of Pages" (numPages) field (mapped to number-of-pages in CSL) should be added to letter.

@avram, are you aware of any style guides that call for this information to be included in references? (I think that should be a minimum requirement for mapping anything to a CSL variable, and it would also help the case for adding Zotero fields)

It would also make sense to add ... "Medium".

@avram, idem.

There is an old ticket to add place to letters: https://www.zotero.org/trac/ticket/1565

Gilbert McMicken to Alexander Morris, 29 November 1881, Glasgow (Scotland), Document 1359, fol. 1r, Alexander Morris Papers, MG-12-84, Provincial Archives of Manitoba, Winnipeg.

@erazlogo, so it looks like we need the "event-place" CSL variable, for "Glasgow (Scotland)". Do we also need the "archive-place" CSL variable for "Winnipeg"? "Provincial Archives of Manitoba" would be the value of the "archive" CSL variable in the example above, right? (see https://aurimasv.github.io/z2csl/typeMap.xml#map-letter for the current mapping)

avram commented 7 years ago

I don't know of style guides asking for number of pages or medium, except perhaps to help with the merge with email that I noted above as well.

That said, I've been far from the world of bibliography for a long time.

rmzelle commented 7 years ago

That said, I've been far from the world of bibliography for a long time.

Yes, I should probably have followed up sooner than 6 years later.

I'm trying to whip these old issues into shape now that Zotero 5.0 is almost ready, and changes to the Zotero data model have been promised to be up next. Without style guide examples this issue might end up on the back-burner, though (with the exception of adding "event-place" for the examples given by @erazlogo above).

bwiernik commented 5 years ago

APA requires fields mapped to Medium and Archive.