LovelySanta
commented
1 year ago I just wanted to consume sulfur, no particular ratios...
Open KiwiHawk opened 1 year ago
LovelySanta
commented
1 year ago I just wanted to consume sulfur, no particular ratios...
KiwiHawk
commented
1 year ago Seems like this is related to Refining, not Bioprocessing.
KiwiHawk
commented
1 year ago Saphirite, Stiratite, and Bobmonium are all Sulfur positive.
Best option seems better to void the waste water and make Hydrochloric acid from scratch. The more interesting routes are worse.
Only slightly worse is making Hydrochloric acid from recycled waste water. This is salt neutral. Nice!
Making Hydrochloric acid from Salt and Sulfuric acid seems to be all round the worst option.
This seems like the worst option. You don't get any of the sulfuric acid back. And the waste water only makes 30 out of the required 75 acid.
This is better than option 1 as it doesn't require Sulfuric Acid and less Nitric Acid needs to be made from catalysts.
Voiding the Nitric waste water and making the acid from scratch requires slightly fewer buildings and less power. It does consume more catalyst ores. The ore consumption is so low that this probably doesn't matter. Options 2 and 3 are basically equal.
Hydrofluoric Acid is the most annoying acid. It's the most difficult to make from scratch and has a solid waste product (lime).
Wastewater recycling provides just over half of the required Fluorite Ore. The process also needs additional Sulfuric Acid.
Saphirite, Stiratite, and Bobmonium could be nerfed. They don't need to produce this much sulfur. Especially with upcoming improvements to Paper 3, Sulfur shouldn't be in short supply. If extra sulfur is required, there are other interesting sources of it (Lime air filtering, Acid gas from puffers)
Changes could be made to incentivise recycling the waste water.
The recipe from salt and sulfuric acid just seems bad. Unless this is a good way of making Sodium sulfate? I haven't explored that possibility.
Option 1 seems like a trap recipe that should never be used. Unless it's rebalanced, I see no point in this recipe existing.
Is the reduced catalyst usage enough to incentivise waste water recycling? I'm not sure.
This acid feels significantly more difficult than the others. Is this intended? If not, maybe it needs a buff somehow.
TheSnoozer
commented
6 months ago I somewhat bumped into this question/problem for for me it seems that obtaining Rubyte Crystals (red) is unbalanced. The main culprit IMHO seems that obtaining Nitric Acid is not balanced, and that obtaining it through other means is just too cumbersome.
Consider the available Recipies
and
In summary we can say that 5 Sodium Nitrate produce at most 60 Nitric Acid. Since we need 100 Nitric Waste Water to produce 1 Sodium Nitrate we need to "make" 20 Rubyte Chunks to gain the 500 Nitric Waste Water for the 5 Sodium Nitrate. However that 5 Sodium Nitrate would only produce 60 Nitric Acid that we could use to convert 12 Rubyte Chunks into Rubyte Crystals. We still would have 8 Rubyte Chunks left (a lack of Nitric Acid to convert them).
The only other Recipie available to gain Nitric Acid seems Brown Liquor Recycling. However here the user is left with Cellulose Pulp which can't be converted into anything that can be (can't be clarified/flared/burned).
IMHO Possible solutions:
KiwiHawk
commented
6 months ago @TheSnoozer I don't think your question is related to issue #849.
Please have another look. There already is another way of making Nitric Acid.
I recommend using a recipe browser mod such as FNEI or Recipe Book. FNEI comes included in the default Sea Block pack.
If you are using FNEI, untick "Show hidden recipes" in FNEI's settings. These are recipes that you will never get access to.
Chunks provide approximately half the acid required for crystals, for all but sulfur. Is this intended? Need to check numbers