[RFC] Suggested new warp effects for Warp Theory

[D-Cysteine]

Your GTNH Discord Username

D-Cysteine

Your Pack Version

2.1.1.3

Your Proposal

Here's some ideas that I came up with; please give feedback and/or suggest new ones!

In roughly suggested order of increasing warp:

• For a short period of time, flowers are spawned at the player's feet (if placeable). Maybe limit to grass blocks only; this shouldn't break anything in bases.
• Player receives slowness, weakness, mining fatigue.
• For a period of time, player randomly lays eggs.
• For a period of time, player either cannot sleep, or takes twice as long to fall asleep.
• Spawn a wisp near the player.
• Player instantly loses half their current health (rounded down so this cannot kill the player).
• Spawn a doppelgänger behind the player. Similar to the friendly creeper, the doppelgänger is a passive mob that follows the player. The doppelgänger looks just like the player and has the same max health, and any damage that it receives is also dealt to the player (maybe with a chat message each time this happens?).
• Spawn some hostile endermen a moderate distance away. Maybe also give the player an ongoing effect that causes nearby endermen to become hostile and/or randomly spawns more endermen.
• For a period of time, the player randomly gets pushed around.
• Water is converted to ice in an area around the player. Maybe also place some snow.
• Spawn a bunch of mushrooms in an area around the player (low chance of vishroom). Cows in range are converted to mooshrooms (need to figure out how this interacts with Thaumic Horizons infused cows).
• A voice whispers in your ear, "You look like you need this". Gives the player some litmus paper. This is a not-so-subtle hint that the player is about to reach (or maybe has reached) wither-level warp. Maybe give the player an effect that prevents receiving this warp effect again for a long time, to prevent getting free litmus paper?

I'm happy to work on implementing these myself.

For balancing, note that it looks like a random event is picked (out of those the player has enough warp for), so the more events that we add, the less likely any individual event is to be picked. See: https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/WarpTheory/blob/master/src/main/java/shukaro/warptheory/handlers/WarpHandler.java#L228-L238

There is also a closed issue with more ideas: https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT-New-Horizons-Modpack/issues/4270

Your Goal

According to https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT-New-Horizons-Modpack/issues/5643, we need new warp effects implemented so that we can rebalance warp.

Your Vision

Adding new warp effects will allow us to expand the range of warp effects, pushing back destructive effects farther and allowing Thaumcraft users to be less afraid of withers blowing up their base.

Final Checklist

• [X] I have searched this issue tracker and there is nothing similar already. Posting on a closed issue saying I like this feature please reconsider adding it will prompt us to investigate and reopen it once we confirm your report.
• [X] I believe there is nothing similar in the pack already, or the existing solution isn't good enough.
• [X] I understand this change request may not attract enough attention and thus not be implemented.
• [X] I understand this change request may be rejected due to other community members thinking it's inappropriate.
• [X] I believe this feature would make the pack better.

[DisasterMoo]

I tried dying after it was taking half a day, didn't really reset the warping. Guess you have to do it just after eating the pure tear then. But anyway, hardcore players (no death run), or, if you wanted the nether stars.

[bombcar]

There may be bugs with the dying thing as someone on our server ate a tear and then ate a bolt and was still crapping withers for hours.

[Shibva]

maybe intstead of doign it like that, a more direct way of realeaseing the energy shoudl be done

if the user is at the certain point with total warp and eats the tear, it may do something more drastic, as it will not only spawn withers everywhere or something, but it may also cause a massive change to the land,

maybe a massive release results in the land become tainted and most blocks within a large radius become transformed into flux waste and what not

this can make a artifical taint biome if it gets to let say, 500 or more warp is present when you ear the tear and the range of this transmutation increases for each level higher

this would be a great drawback but better than crapping wtihers out. and lets be honnest, if they use that at their base it might be game over for them but if not it will still be somewhat of a massive cleanup project

or it could make a large amount of the land become erie

[Prometheus0000]

I dunno, it worked in SP when testing. Maybe it's a MP thing? Or thermos.

[bombcar]

Almost certainly thermos as that’s our server

[D-Cysteine]

Hmm, I'd like to start working on this, but the discussion has kind of wandered a bit (which is understandable as this is a big topic). I think what I'll do is, I'll start working off of Cata-bre's suggested warp levels table above:

• https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT-New-Horizons-Modpack/issues/8611#issuecomment-936370421

and just start adding warp effects to fill in the gaps. I'll just do whichever ones seem easier to implement for now; we can always add or remove them later. I'll probably skip the ones that need cross-mod stuff to work since I want to avoid adding more inter-mod dependencies for now.

Just like in the table, I'll aim for 5-10 in each of the first two categories, and maybe fewer in the last two since they are less fun and stuff you'd want to avoid.

Once we have some more warp effects added, maybe we can start actually adjusting the warp levels to match that table (or whatever we decide to do from there).

[D-Cysteine]

Alright, sorry for the long delay, but the new warp effects are finally done / in a PR! This is going to be another super long post, as I added a bunch of stuff. Some of these are from various ideas above (thanks for the suggestions!) and some I came up with as I was working on this.

Also, I noticed while working on this that 200 is really just an arbitrary limit in the code. I'm pretty sure that we can easily change this maximum to whatever we want. So that's something to keep in mind while balancing this.

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First, here's my new proposed table of warp effects, which is based on this comment:	Warp Effect	Warp Amount
Mostly harmless	0-50
Message	5
Fake Explosion	10
Coin	15
Pumpkin	15
Spawn Phantoms	20
Lay Eggs	20
Fake Creeper	25
Fake Rain	25
GregTech Fake Sounds	30
Spawn Bats	30
Blood	35 ​
Fake Enderman	35
Spawn Friendly Creeper	40
Nausea	45 ​
Jump Boost	45 ​
Vis Drain	50
Insomnia	50
Potentially dangerous	51-100
Thunderstorm	55
Spawn Fire Bats	60
Blindness	65
Poison	65
Livestock Rain	70
Spawn Doppelgänger	75
Wither Potion	80
Spawn Angry Endermen	80
Wind	85
Ender Pearl	90
Blaze Fireball	95
Junk	100
Litmus Paper	100
Potential loss of progress	101-150
Obsidian	110
Lightning	120 ​
Inventory Swap	125
Random Teleport	130 ​
Acceleration	140
Inventory Scramble	150
Fake Wither	150
Unavoidable loss of progress	151-200
Countdown Bomb	160
Mushrooms	170
Snow	175
Decay	180
Random Trees	190
Spawn Wither	200

I've omitted all base Thaumcraft effects, because they fade away over time, and I'm not sure if we can modify their warp levels due to licensing issues. I've also removed the Chest Scramble effect as it only affects vanilla chests; see below for discussion.

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Okay, now for the changes to existing warp events, and new warp events. First, I fixed an annoyance with Random Teleport: each teleport now reduces the remaining # of teleports by 5% of the current value. This helps prevent being stuck with random teleport for hours after doing something like eating a pure tear.

I added "multi-level" warp effects. Multi-level warp effects can have stronger effects, if you have a lot of warp. The way that it works is, let's say that we have a warp effect that triggers at 10 warp. If you have 10-20 warp, you'll only get the base effect. If you have 21-30 warp, you have an increasing chance of getting level 2 of the effect, maxing out at 50% at 30+ warp. If you have 31-40 warp, you have an increasing chance of getting level 3 of the effect, maxing out at 25% at 40+. The idea is for lower-level warp effects to stay interesting at higher warp / after the player is used to them, by having a "twist"; the higher-level effects aren't intended to behave very differently from the base effect.

I added multi-level effects for these old warp events:

• Spawn Bats (30 warp)
  • Level 2 (>60 warp): bats are on fire
  • Level 3 (>90 warp): bats are on fire, and have fire resistance
• Spawn Friendly Creeper (40 warp)
  • Level 2 (>80 warp): "friendly" creeper will explode (doing no damage)
  • Level 3 (>120 warp): same as level 2, except the creeper is invisible until right before it explodes
• Blood (35 warp)
  • Level 2 (>70 warp): blood is black
• Livestock Rain (70 warp)
  • Level 2 (>140 warp): rains squid
  • Level 3 (>210 warp): rains tainted livestock. Note that it's possible for some of the livestock to survive if there's a ledge or something nearby, and tainted sheep can spread taint, so this one is a bit dangerous.

Now for the new effects:

• Message (5 warp): displays a random chat message
• Coin (15 warp): player gets a Thaumcraft coin
• Pumpkin (15 warp): if player has no helmet, places a pumpkin in the helmet slot
• Spawn Phantoms (20 warp): spawns some mobs which do nothing, and vanish when the player looks at them
• Lay Eggs (20 warp): player lays a few eggs at random intervals
• Fake Rain (25 warp): fake rain particles spawn around the player. Visible only to the player.
• GregTech Fake Sounds (30 warp): multi-level: three GregTech-themed fake sounds. Only triggers if the mods providing the sounds are loaded.
  • Level 1 (30 warp): Wrench sound
  • Level 2 (>60 warp): Machine out of power sound
  • Level 3 (>90 warp): Howler alarm sound
• Fake Enderman (35 warp): plays a distorted enderman scream sound for the player
• Vis Drain (50 warp): drains a bit of vis from player's wands
• Insomnia (50 warp): player cannot sleep for a few minutes
• Spawn Fire Bats (60 warp): spawns some Thaumcraft fire bats. Multi-level:
  • Level 2 (>120 warp): fire bats can randomly be explosive or devil fire bats (more info: Nine Hells upgrades)
• Spawn Doppelgänger (75 warp): spawns a mob that does the following:
  • Follows players around, and is leashable, just like the friendly creeper
  • Looks like the player that spawned it, and has the same max and current health
  • Heals over time, about as fast as a well-fed player in vanilla Minecraft
  • Whenever it takes damage from any source, deals that same damage to the player that spawned it, ignoring armor
  • On death, drops rotten flesh, with a rare drop of a player head
• Wither Potion (80 warp): gives the player 30 seconds of Wither 3, Hunger 3, Slowness 3
• Spawn Angry Endermen (80 warp): only triggers at night. Spawns a few endermen who will immediately attack the player. Multi-level:
  • Level 2 (>160 warp): endermen have Invisibility and Strength 2
• Ender Pearl (90 warp): makes the player fire an ender pearl wherever they happen to be looking
• Blaze Fireball (95 warp): after a 2-second delay, player fires three blaze fireballs. There's a delay so you have time to look away from anything flammable.
• Junk (100 warp): fills all empty inventory and hotbar slots with random junk items
• Litmus Paper (100 warp): gives the player some litmus paper. This one is meant to warn the player that they are getting dangerous amounts of warp. Can only trigger once per 8 hours.
• Obsidian (110 warp): spawns a block of obsidian where the player's head is, suffocating them
• Inventory Swap (125 warp): does one of the following at random:
  • If player is holding an item and has an empty slot in inventory, places the item in hand into the empty slot
  • Randomly swaps the items in two slots in inventory (not hotbar)
• Fake Wither (150 warp): plays a wither spawn sound effect. Like the litmus paper, this is meant to warn the player that they are getting dangerous amounts of warp.
• Inventory Scramble (150 warp): completely scrambles the player's inventory and hotbar (currently held item will not be moved)
• Countdown Bomb (160 warp): player gets a countdown from 10 seconds. Once the countdown hits 0, triggers a real creeper explosion centered on the player. Also spews particles everywhere so other players know to run away.
• Mushrooms (170 warp): randomly places mushrooms, converts grass and dirt to mycelium, and converts cows to mooshrooms
• Snow (175 warp): randomly places snow, converts water to ice, and spawns snow golems with fire resistance. The snow golems can quickly make a massive mess, which is why I placed this one so high.

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1. EDIT: moved Mushrooms to 150 warp, because it can do things like put mushrooms inside of your EBF and break it
2. EDIT: added suggested new effects: GregTech Fake Sound and Inventory Scramble. Removed Chest Scramble. Shifted warp levels around, including moving Inventory Swap and Junk much later. See below for discussion.
3. EDIT: swapped Inventory Swap and Junk
4. EDIT: replaced Eye Blink with Message

[bombcar]

This looks really good - as for livestock rain - I've been getting that "indoors and underground" - so something's a bit off there (they land on the roof and survive? die? I don't know, but I find wool days later).

[D-Cysteine]

The way that livestock rain works is, it picks a random block within a 15x15x15 cube centered on the player (closer to player is weighted more heavily). Then, if that block and the 25 blocks above it are all air, it spawns livestock at the top of that 25-block column.

So even if you are under a roof, if you are within 7 height of the surface, there's a chance that it'll pick a random block on the surface and be able to spawn. Or if your rooms are taller than 25 blocks, it could even spawn indoors.

[bombcar]

That explains it - though note I got it on the moon once so "air" is loosely defined. They SHOULD have oxygen setups in that case I guess ;)

[bombcar]

As to the comment in Discord about the chest scramble only affecting wooden chests - I propose the following:

1. Wooden only (literally single and doubles only) be moved lower, but the text imply that metal chests may help ....
2. Wooden - iron be about where it is and a noise suggesting "precious metals might help"
3. All "normal" chests wooden -> diamond with a "crystal may help"
4. Optional: scramble all chests and disconnect ae2 drives (!!!)

[D-Cysteine]

Hmm, the chest scramble is kind of tricky. So as far as I'm aware (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), there is no good way to check if something is a "chest". We can check if something is an "inventory", but that would include a lot of stuff that we probably don't want to include, such as machines and maybe even item pipes.

So we'd have to hard-code a list of chests, but there's a few issues with that:

• Need to have Warp Theory depend on all of these other mods that add chests
• Have to keep this updated whenever we add or remove mods
• If we miss any, it'll feel really weird. Why are my diamond chests being scrambled, but not my skystone chests? Etc.

Given this, the fact that late-game AE setups mostly just avoid this entirely (unless we disable AE drives like you suggested =P), and the fact that especially in a tech-heavy modpack like GTNH, scrambling chests just feels really bad, I propose that we disable the chest scramble effect entirely.

We could shift things around (maybe move fake wither sound effect to 190), or we could just leave 190 empty and have a 20-warp gap before the wither effect? I could also add a new effect for 190.

[bombcar]

We could use all the "Iron Chest" mod chests - but I agree.

What about "scramble player inventory + backpacks" ?

Also maybe Fake Explosion could move up a bit or change it so the first "fake explosion" is the "steam machine out of power" noise, the second one a few warp levels later is "electric machine out of power noise" (may be the same noise?) and the third highest is "electric machine rapidly disassembling itself noise).

I know the explosions I just ignore, but power out noise wakes me up.

[D-Cysteine]

Yeah, agreed, if we wanted to keep Chest Scramble and make it apply to more things, Iron Chests would probably get us most of the way there. The other popular ones that I was thinking of were the Avaritia compressed chest, and maybe the AE2 skystone chests?

Scramble backpacks might have the same problem: there's a fair number of backpack mods. I guess just scrambling the Backpack mod's backpacks will get most of them, but there's also:

• Adventure backpack
• IC2 backpacks
• Witching Gadgets bag
• Extra utilities might have a bag of holding?

Just scrambling the player's main inventory is really easy though; there's even already an effect that does a weaker version of it. That could be a good replacement for Chest Scramble? Maybe it could go at 150, and push Mushrooms and everything after that down by 10?

The GT noises is also a great idea. Probably best to add it as its own separate effect; makes it easier to disable when GT isn't present. Maybe at 35? Something like:

• Level 1 (35 warp): vent steam
• Level 2 (70 warp): machine out of power
• Level 3 (105 warp): I see something in the sound files called "NukeExplosion", so how about that one

I'll work on adding these when I have more time, hopefully later today.

[Shibva]

Here's two

Semi-dangerous

"You feel as if your Armor was made of gelitan..."

The affect: armor stats reduce greatly or any armor points you have will be nullified (armor = 0 regardless of what you wear?)

The only way to possible way to reverse this effect is to "bake" yourself in fire

"You feel your armor has become solid once more..."

Warp effect will only trigger if you have armor on or it will happen regardless (you will take more damage if you wear no armor)

Dangerous

"You suddenly feel as if your body is under a great amount of stress and more fragile than usual"

The affect: you body becomes like Tempered Glass! Attacks deal 2-3X more damage. Critical hits have a Chance to make you shatter (Inatant death)

Projectiles can have a chance to one shot you, EXPLOSIONS ARE ALWAYS FATAL REGARDLESS of what they are or what your wearing (unless it's some high end stuff like the Draconic armor sets)

Falls between 3-4 can cause to to take more damage or "crack" (being cracked significantly increases the chances of breaking). "You feel that some of your bones have cracked like glass"

Falls 5 blocks or higher will kill you instantly (cus dropping glass from 5 or more meters is guaranteed to break)

Remedies: Defence potions will produce the message "you feel as if your body is less brittle" and the damange multiplayer is reduced to 1.5 (regardless of what level of potion power it is)

Potions of strength will restore your body composition that was altered from this warp event (will cancel the effect line eating flesh or brains reduces unnatural hunger) "Your body no longer feel as fragile as glass

Duration will depend on how much total warp you have accumulated

[Cata-bre]

Just scrambling the player's main inventory is really easy though; there's even already an effect that does a weaker version of it. That could be a good replacement for Chest Scramble? Maybe it could go at 150, and push Mushrooms and everything after that down by 10?

I would put chest scramble and player inventory scramble up fairly high. As well as the Inventory Swap effect. Other than that, I like the table of warp effects you've constructed. I think it will make Thaumcraft more approachable, yet still punishing at high levels.

What items will the Junk effect spawn?

[Cata-bre]

I think 200 warp as the upper limit is a good starting place for now. It increases our warp range significantly, but is low enough that you're still limited in the amount you can research without serious consequences.

[D-Cysteine]

Thanks again for the suggestions! I made the two changes mentioned here:

• https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT-New-Horizons-Modpack/issues/8611#issuecomment-958219440

and removed Chest Scramble and updated the table:

• https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT-New-Horizons-Modpack/issues/8611#issuecomment-958003423

I think the list of effects is looking pretty good now; filled in some of the gaps.

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Here's what Junk spawns currently:

• https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/WarpTheory/blob/44a96b42c4500b188e4b75762fb17ba991c9f5ee/src/main/java/shukaro/warptheory/handlers/warpevents/WarpJunk.java#L16-L33

I can't decide if it's better or worse than Inventory Swap. I have it after Inventory Swap right now, but maybe we could move it earlier? All three of the inventory effects are pretty high right now purely due to how annoying they can be. I made sure never to place inventory items into the currently selected slot so you won't do something like accidentally mallet a transformer and blow up your base.

[Cata-bre]

I can't decide if it's better or worse than Inventory Swap.

While annoying, I would find the Junk effect less frustrating than inventory swap. At high levels of warp (200+) you could add a Level 2 to the Junk effect that spawns Taint Tendrils and Tainted Goo. This is as dangerous as Livestock Rain spawning tainted sheep. IIRC, these decay in your inventory giving you temporary warp. We have to be careful we don't spawn 10+ warp worth of items via the level 2 junk effect. That's why I'd make it 200+ warp.

I made sure never to place inventory items into the currently selected slot so you won't do something like accidentally mallet a transformer and blow up your base.

👍

[D-Cysteine]

Ok, I swapped Inventory Swap and Junk.

I think the Taint Tendrils and Tainted Goo aren't actually capable of spreading taint? They can just decay in your inventory, which gives you a damaging debuff IIRC.

[Cata-bre]

I thought the Taint Tendrils and Tainted Goo gave you temporary warp. You're correct, they aren't near as dangerous as tainted sheep.

[Cata-bre]

Just to be clear, are the updated table values are now in 2.1.2.0?

[bombcar]

2.1.2.0 doesn't exist yet, but they're in 2.1.1.5pre2 if you want to take a look in single player: http://downloads.gtnewhorizons.com/Dev-Pack/Pack/Client/

[meonester]

I'm currently playing on version pre.2.1.1.5-dev2. Those new Warp "prizes" needs some tweaking as they are literally getting spammed (1 per minute or so). For instance flux flu almost never goes away, and during last hour my character laid ~20 eggs. That said i have only 21 warp(17 permanent + 4 normal).

Edit: After some time it stabilized and now I'm getting effects sporadically. It was probably false alarm - after giving it some thought, just before updating i washed away(using this fancy soap) 5 points of normal warp, so it can be directly related to this fact(assuming it has similar result as eating pure tear).

[bombcar]

Perhaps we need an inherent brake on the amount per X minutes that loosens up as you go higher?

[D-Cysteine]

Flux flu is a vanilla Thaumcraft warp effect, so it's unrelated to these changes. Vanilla Thaumcraft warp effects do fade over time, so as long as you aren't gaining any more warp (not sure if removing warp also refreshes them), they should gradually stop affecting you at all. This might explain why you noticed things stabilizing: it could just be the vanilla effects fading away.

The egg effect queues up multiple eggs each time it triggers (3-8 eggs); it's not one egg per trigger. So those 20 eggs might actually only be 3 events. Also, with such a low warp, you are only eligible for a short list of warp events. This means that you're much more likely to get the same one repeatedly (i.e. eggs multiple times), since it only picks from among events that you're eligible for.