Raptor

[HellDragon-HK]

Issues and notes on the Raptor from in-game testing

UT2004 Draw - 1.0? UT3 Draw - 1.3 UT3Port Draw - 1.0 OLD, CURRENT 1.3

UT3 Drawscale Animation Update https://drive.google.com/open?id=1GAGc8gKLVdO66snC_5j2LVyGBn9QxSTj

• ANIMATION RELATED
• [ ] Wings don't change position on UT3 until a good distance off the ground, on port they move as soon as you get in and clip through the ground
  • [ ] Raptor's landing gear isn't working
• [X] Wing collision missing on port, I can walk right through them to the body
• [X] ~Collision for the back on UT3 is a little before the tail wings, on the port it's in between them~
• [X] ~Front collision on UT3 is a bit concave with the direct front being right a the tips of the gun barrels, on the port its in the middle of them and if you move to the side a little on UT3 you can stand on the middle of the of the gun barrel where the port's collision is, so it's nearly right~

• [X] Try 1.17 Drawscale (Not sure this is needed, it's looking shorter because it isn't sitting on it's landing gear in UT2004)

  • GAME PLAY RELATED
• [ ] UT3 Raptor comes to a complete stop by itself on a dime nearly, UT2004 Raptor takes quite a bit longer
• [ ] In UT3 when getting out of the Raptor in mid-air it usually falls gently and slowly to the ground when hovering and when moving full speed it takes the time to slow itself before doing this, UT2004 Raptor hits the ground as fast as I do and takes damage....update, in UT3 on Torlan I went as high as I could and jumped out, the Raptor at first fell as fast as I did but ultimately slowed itself and landed gracefully while I on the other hand found out yes UT3 fall damage can be 100 pts of health worth
• [ ] On UT3 the Raptor moves backward at almost or exactly the same speed as hoverboard on UT3, not sure this is something we want to replicate though
• [X] UT2004 Raptor seems faster in max speed and how quick it reaches it

• [X] In UT3 flying full speed into a concrete or rock wall only does 1 damage, in UT2004 goes from 300 health to 141 or 113 health in a single impact, oddly in UT3 flying into another vehicle does anywhere from 1-6 damage with a turret and 2 damage with another Raptor's side

  • SOUND RELATED
• [ ] Sound heard when moving forward is completely missing in 64 bit....exe issue and probably not fixable

• [X] ~Engine hum doesn't sound like UT3 at all...PS3 just sounds different is all~

  • VISUAL EFFECTS RELATED
• [x] Smoke & Sparks Damage Phase - At around 192 hp smoke and sparks are seen coming from very top middle of Raptor
• [x] On Fire Damage Phase - At around 113 hp fire is added to the smoke and sparks area and additionally above the left gun barrel at the same height as the top front light
• [ ] Engine flames are not large enough on port or something, the missing smoke makes it hard to tell but something feels off
• [x] 4 jet streamers are missing when moving....and appear to have been purposely removed...why?
• [X] Port has the stock UT2004 Raptor headlights in the middle of it's body
• [X] Engine flames are kind floating

UT3 Raptor Movement Video https://drive.google.com/open?id=1HI8wqyh6Gss-NLINIou--xA4bcRXpX0A

[HellDragon-HK]

Impact results with Raptor

Raptor Impact with Manta -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - Massive knockback and Manta is sent spinning like it's on ice, no damage taken, easily pushed like it's on ice --Side Hit - Massive knockback and Manta spun 180 degrees, no damage taken, easily pushed like it's on ice --Back Hit - Massive knockback and Manta is sent spinning like it's on ice, no damage taken, easily pushed like it's on ice --Diagnol Hit - Massive knockback and Manta is sent spinning like it's on ice, no damage taken, easily pushed like it's on ice ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - Massive knockback and Manta is sent spinning like it's on ice, a lot of damage taken by both vehicles, easily pushed like it's on ice --Side Hit - Massive knockback like it's on ice but didn't spin, a lot of damage taken by both vehicles, easily pushed like it's on ice --Back Hit - Extreme knockback and sent spinning like it's on ice, Manta took massive damage and Raptor also took a lot, easily pushed like it's on ice --Diagnol Hit - 1st attempt (still using the same 2 vehicles since I started) both vehicles are destroyed as soon as Manta is tapped, 2nd attempt is massive knockback and Manta is sent spinning across the ground like it's on ice, Manta took a lot of damage and Raptor took some, easily pushed like it's on ice Extra Note: In UT3 the Manta had to have taken some damage after all of that but I can't tell with PS3, Raptor didn't take any that I could see, clearly wasn't the case with UT2004

Raptor Impact with Scorpion -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - Little knocback and Scorpion went vertical and flipped upside down while Raptor is deflected and control lost, no damage taken, cannot be pushed --Side Hit - Little knockback and Scorpion was rolled over to an upside down position, no damage taken, can be easily pushed while upside down only --Back Hit - Fair knockback and Scorpion is lifted off back wheels, no damage taken, cannot be pushed --Diagnol Hit - Little knockback and Scorpion was rolled over to an upside down position and Raptor was deflected with slight control loss, no damage taken, can be pushed while upside down (usually it flips itself back over but not after a Raptor does it) ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - Fair knockback and Scorpion was lifted off front wheels, damage taken, can be pushed --Side Hit - Fair knockback and Scorpion almost flipped, damage taken, flips at the slightest tap and then can be pushed while on it's side --Back Hit - Fair knockback and Scorpion lifted off back wheels, damage taken, can be pushed --Diagnol Hit - Fair knockback and Scorpion nearly flipped and turned 90 degrees, damage taken, cannot be pushed without flipping Extra Note: In UT2004 Scorpion did not take damage but Raptor took a lot to the point I needed to repair it (going to start trying to do that from now on), in UT3 neither vehicle appeared to take damage and when they do it's very little, I'd say UT3 vehicles take a lot less damage than UT2004 vehicles from all damage sources

Raptor Impact with Hellbender -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - Little knockback, no damage taken, cannot be pushed --Side Hit - Little knockback and Raptor is deflected, no damage taken, cannot be pushed --Back Hit - Little knockback and Hellbender is lifted off back wheels and turns slightly, no damage taken, cannot be pushed --Diagnol Hit - Little knockback and Hellbender is lifted off 3 of it's wheels and spun 180 degrees and the Raptor is deflected with control loss, cannot be pushed but can almost and probably be flipped ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - Medium knockback and lifted off front wheels, damage taken, can be pushed --Side Hit - Fair knockback and nearly flipped and Raptor went bottom up, damage taken, can be nearly flipped and then pushed easily and it nearly looks like you could use the turret barrels to carry it off like a forklift --Back Hit - Fair knockback and lifted off back wheels and spun almost 180 degrees, damage taken, can be pushed --Diagnol Hit - Massive knockback and lifted off front wheels spun around lifted off all wheels landed on front wheels bottom up and slid across the ground for a bit before coming back down and stopping (a spectaular sight), damage taken, can be pushed flipped and turned

Raptor Impact with Stealthbender -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - Fair to Medium knockback and Stealthbender was lifted off 3 wheels and spun more than 90 degrees, no damage taken, cannot be pushed --Side Hit - Little knockback and was rolled over, no damage taken, cannot be pushed but can be flipped --Back Hit - Little knockback, no damage taken, cannot be pushed but can be flipped bottom up --Diagnol Hit - No knockback and slighty turned and Raptor was deflected with slight control loss, no damage taken, cannot be pushed but can with difficulty be flipped on it's side ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - pending stealthbender stability fixes --Side Hit - pending stealthbender stability fixes --Back Hit - pending stealthbender stability fixes --Diagnol Hit - pending stealthbender stability fixes

Raptor Impact with Raptor -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - Little knockback and other Raptor turned 90 degrees while mine was deflected with control loss, damage taken, cannot be pushed --Side Hit - Fair knockback and other Raptor is lifted off the ground, damage taken, can be turned but not really pushed --Back Hit - Fair knockback, damage taken, can be pushed --Diagnol Hit - about the same as a side hit ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - Extreme knockback, damage taken, easily pushed like it's on ice --Side Hit - Extreme knockback and sent spinning like it's on ice, damage taken, easily pushed like it's on ice --Back Hit - Very extreme knockback, damage taken, easily pushed like it's on ice --Diagnol Hit - Medium knockback and sent spinning like it's on ice, damage taken, easily pushed like it's on ice

Raptor Impact with Cicada -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - Little knockback but Cicada front is lifted off ground and it turns 90 degrees, no damage taken, cannot be pushed but can be lifted off the ground some --Side Hit - Medium knockback and Cicada is thrown into the air, damage taken, cannot be pushed --Back Hit - Fair knockback and Cicada is thrown into the air, no damage taken, cannot be pushed but can be turned --Diagnol Hit - Fair knockback and Cicada is thrown into the air and turns 90 degrees, no damage taken, can be pushed with difficulty but easily turned ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - Fair knockback and some spin, damage taken, easily pushed --Side Hit - Medium knockback and some almost 90 degreen spin, damage taken, easily pushed --Back Hit - Fair knockback and some spin, damage taken, easily pushed --Diagnol Hit - Little knockback and alost 180 degree spin, damage taken, can't reallt be pushed but easily turned

Raptor Impact with Hellfire SPMA -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - No knockback but entire SPMA jumped in the air, damage taken, cannot be pushed (how is it that it can be knocked into the air on impact but not pushed?) --Side Hit - No knockback and SPMA nearly flipped on it's side, damage taken, cannot be pushed --Back Hit - No knockback and SPMA treads are lifted off ground, damage taken, cannot be pushed --Diagnol Hit - No knockback and Raptor is deflected, damage taken, cannot be pushed ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - Medium knockback and lifted off front wheels, damage taken, can be pushed --Side Hit - Medium knockback and SPMA nearly flipped and Raptor went bottom up, damage taken, cannot be pushed but can be turned or flipped --Back Hit - Medium knockback and SPMA went bottom up, damage taken, can be pushed and made to go bottom up --Diagnol Hit - Fair knockback and SPMA flipped, damage taken, can be pushed and turned and flipped Extra Note: Neither SPMA seems to have taken damage but UT2004 Raptor took a lot while UT3 Raptor took little to none, this is another vehicle in UT2004 that the Raptor can nearly carry off

Raptor Impact with Paladin -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - No or little knockback and Paladin is lifted off front wheels enough Raptor went under it, damage taken, cannot be pushed --Side Hit - No or little knockback and Paladin nearly flipped, damage taken, cannot be pushed --Back Hit - No or little knockback and Paldin was lifted off back wheels slightly, damage taken, cannot be pushed --Diagnol Hit - No knockback and Paladin was slightly lifted off the ground and Raptor was deflected, damage taken, cannot be pushed ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - Fair knockback and Paladin went bottom up, damage taken, can be pushed --Side Hit - Fair knockback and Paladin is fully rolled over (upside down and back to upright), damage taken, flips at slightest tap and can go on top of the Raptor and be carried off a bit before falling off --Back Hit - Fair knockback and Paladin is slightly lifted off back wheels, damage taken, slightest tap causes it to bottom up and go on top of the Raptor and be carrier off a little bit before it falls off --Diagnol Hit - Fair knockback and Paladin went bottom up and completely turned around, damage taken, cannot be pushed without flipping it Extra Note: In UT2004 both vehicles took a lot of damage, UT3 barely had any damage that I could see

Raptor Impact with Goliath -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - No knockback and Raptor is deflected with loss of control, damage taken, can be very slowly pushed --Side Hit - No knockback but Goliath is lifted off the ground, damage taken, cannot be pushed --Back Hit - No knockback, damage taken, can be very slowly pushed --Diagnol Hit - No knockback and Raptor is deflected, damage taken, cannot be pushed ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - Little knockback and some spin, damage taken, can be slowly pushed --Side Hit - Little knockback and some spin, damage taken, can be slowly pushed and easily turned --Back Hit - Little knockback, damage taken, can be slowly pushed and easily turned --Diagnol Hit - Little knockback and 90 degree spin, damage taken, can be slowly pushed and easily turned

Raptor Impact with Leviathan -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - No knockback and on 1st time only slightly lifted off front wheels, damage taken, cannot be pushed --Side Hit - No knockback but almost flipped over, damage taken, cannot be pushed --Back Hit - No knockback, damage taken, cannot be pushed --Diagnol Hit - No knockback and Raptor went vertical, damage taken, cannot be pushed ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - Fair knockback, damage taken, can be slowly pushed --Side Hit - Fair knockback and almost flips, damage taken, cannot be pushed --Back Hit - Fair knockback, damage taken, can be slowly pushed --Diagnol Hit - Little knockback and front lifted into the air and turned 90 degrees, damage taken, can be slowly pushed Extra Note: UT2004 Leviathan and Raptor were damaged, front wheel plates messed up on impact and wheels do not turn while being pushed (I'm just now noticing this so it might be true for previous vehicles as well)

Raptor Impact with Viper -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - Medium knockback and is completely thrown into the air and turns almost 90 degrees, no damage taken, easily pushed --Side Hit - Medium knockback and is completely thrown into the air and should have landed on it's side, no damage taken, easily pushed --Back Hit - Medium knockback and is completely thrown into the air and turns 180 degrees, no damage taken, easily pushed --Diagnol Hit - Medium knockback and is completely thrown into the air in front of Raptor and hit again, no damage taken, easily pushed ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - pending --Side Hit - pending --Back Hit - pending --Diagnol Hit - pending

Raptor Impact with Scavenger -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - Can't find a map that has both --Side Hit - --Back Hit - --Diagnol Hit - ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - pending --Side Hit - pending --Back Hit - pending --Diagnol Hit - pending

Raptor Impact with Nightshade -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - Medium knockback and completely tossed into the air, no damage taken, easily pushed --Side Hit - Fair knockback, no damage taken, easily pushed --Back Hit - Medium knockback and completely tossed into the air, no damage taken, easily pushed --Diagnol Hit - Fair knockback, no damage taken, easily pushed ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - pending --Side Hit - pending --Back Hit - pending --Diagnol Hit - pending

Raptor Impact with Fury -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - Fair knockback, no damage taken, easily pushed --Side Hit - Fair knockback and turns 90 degrees --Back Hit - Fair knockback, no damage taken, easily pushed --Diagnol Hit - Fair knockback to the side away from Raptor and slight turn, no damage taken, easily turned but difficult to push ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - pending --Side Hit - pending --Back Hit - pending --Diagnol Hit - pending

Raptor Impact with Nemesis -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - No knockback and front slightly lifted off ground, no damage taken, cannot be pushed --Side Hit - No knockback and slightly lifted off ground, no damage taken, cannot be pushed --Back Hit - No knockback and back very slightly lifted off ground, no damage taken, cannot be pushed --Diagnol Hit - No knockback and Raptor deflected, no damage taken, cannot be pushed ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - pending --Side Hit - pending --Back Hit - pending --Diagnol Hit - pending

Raptor Impact with Darkwalker -------UT3 Results-------- --Front Hit - Fair knockback and legs move with it, surprisingly no damage indicators, cannot be pushed but can be turned --Side Hit - No knockback and legs move, no damage taken, cannot be pushed but can be turned --Back Hit - No knockback and Raptor is deflected, no damage taken, cannot be pushed but can be turned --Diagnol Hit - No knockback but Darkwalker turned and Raptor was deflected, no damage taken, cannot be pushed but can be turned ------UT2004 Results------ --Front Hit - pending --Side Hit - pending --Back Hit - pending --Diagnol Hit - pending

[HellDragon-HK]

Landing gear isn't working in UT2004 and is making it hard to determine size but I think the Raptor might be already the right size maybe. Any idea on why the landing gear doesn't work?

I tried to look at the animations but there aren't any in the editor so how does that work?

[zeluisping]

@HellDragon-HK UE3 has a more advanced animation system, where you can have animations made based on variables, such as speed. That animation is one of them. The same thing happens for the manta's ailerons, in UT2004 I replicated this behaviour in code. In fact I remember doing some of this on the raptor too.

[HellDragon-HK]

The tail wings I'm guessing had to be done in code, if so you did a great job on those I think.

[zeluisping]

@HellDragon-HK Yes that was it, the tail wings. If I remember correctly I still had to do the wings moving based on speed (stopped they point down, full speed they point backwards)

[HellDragon-HK]

Sorry for mixing issues GE but seems like a good spot to mention this....The Cicada has a similar need, the engine section is supposed to open and close based on speed but it currently just stays open all the time,

[zeluisping]

@HellDragon-HK Yes that's something that's probably possible to do with code.

[HellDragon-HK]

@100GPing100 The Raptor in UT3 doesn't move it's main side wings until it's a ways off the ground, in UT2004 currently as soon as someone is in it they point downward and clip, is it possible to add a height requirement like UT3 has to fix the clipping? Or perhaps a timer on when it does this for an alternate suggestion? EDIT- Actually the feature I'd really like to see is how it slowly falls if you get out in mid air so it lands softly without getting damaged which is very useful.

[zeluisping]

@HellDragon-HK Yes it is possible to make it only rotate the wings once it gets to a certain distance from the ground. It is also possible to make it fall slower when left in mid-air, it would be something like the Viper when ready to eject.

[GreatEmerald]

Yes, both wouldn't be too difficult to code. Which makes me wonder if in UT3 the Raptor always levitates, or only after exiting, i.e. if you push one off a cliff does it land slowly too, or if it falls...

[HellDragon-HK]

I thnk it slowly falls, I think I did that with the Cicada, hold on and I'll check as I'm in UT3 right now EDIT-Nope pushing it off the bridge on Torlan and it drops as fast as a UT2004 Raptor

[GreatEmerald]

OK, so it's triggered after an exit event, good to know.

[HellDragon-HK]

You guys disabled the jet stream visuals on purpose, why? They are seen in UT3 (PC only though)

I'm also seeing a lot of duplicate properties with different values that don't have // in front of them like... MaxThrustForce=750.000000 //Increased a lot. Might give strange side effects! and a little further down.... MaxThrustForce=200.000000 //Increased. Increased all below too.

Older now unused/un-needed entries? //IdleSound=sound'UT3Vehicles.RAPTOR.RaptorEngine' //StartUpSound=sound'UT3Vehicles.RAPTOR.RaptorTakeOff' //ShutDownSound=sound'UT3Vehicles.RAPTOR.RaptorLand'

EDIT - Raptor Plasma in UT3 does mixed damage, a single shot did 26 to the Hellbender, 48 to a Goliath, 34 to the Scorpion and 32 to the Manta, in UT2004 it seems to be doing 20 to everything so should probably be somewhere between 25-40 for damage if mixed damage isn't possible

[HellDragon-HK]

@100GPing100 Ugh well I tried adding GunsRotation.Yaw = -DriverViewYaw; to the funation Guns() and it does make them turn left and right but it's odd and too much rotation, any help?

Same with Manta, adding your function Guns() allows the barrels to move up and down but trying to get left and right has same issue

[Unre-Alex]

I got always 40 to all vehicles.

[HellDragon-HK]

@Unre-Alex Ah perfect timing, I was about to ask you about this MaxThrustForce=70.0 MaxRiseForce=70.0 UpDamping=0.16 MaxStrafeForce=40.0 LatDamping=0.14 (I think all the existing lines for these are set to be unused so add new at the bottom, it's what I did)

40 in UT2004 or UT3? I fired only 1 shot at every vehicle on Suspense (except the Raptor and I don't know why) and got mixed results Rockets always did 150 which is already true in UT2004 as well

[Unre-Alex]

In UT3, make sure you're shooting precisely at the body, otherwise the values might be lower, and I hope you're not testing on ps3.

[HellDragon-HK]

I can't see the health numbers on PS3 so PC only and I'll try again EDIT - Yeah I got 40 as well on every vehicle so you're right good work :) Question - Why did I get 48 on the Goliath the 1st time?

Also try this, it looks like it fits better to me but that's an opinion TrailEffectPositions(0) = (X=-94,Y=-32,Z=-13); //(X=-105,Y=-35,Z=-15) TrailEffectPositions(1) = (X=-94,Y=32,Z=-13); //(X=-105,Y=35,Z=-15)

[HellDragon-HK]

Updated the Raptor collision to include most of the wings, I haven't had much time to test it yet so let me know if anything is off with it please

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1GAGc8gKLVdO66snC_5j2LVyGBn9QxSTj

@Unre-Alex btw have you been going through any of the pull requests I've made to help double check and give opinions?

EDIT - Something else to try, I think it looks really cool but that's my opinion HeadlightCoronaOffset(0)=(X=142,Y=0,Z=-12) HeadlightCoronaOffset(1)=(X=140,Y=-0,Z=-42) HeadlightCoronaMaterial=Material'EmitterTextures.Flares.EFlareOY' HeadlightCoronaMaxSize=60

[GreatEmerald]

I think the trails were removed because they did not correspond to the new model any more. Also there used to be four trails IIRC, and in UT3 there are only two. So it's good that you found the right numbers for them.

[HellDragon-HK]

According to my checkbox UT3 has 4 streamers which are all removed and trails are the engine flames which we have 2, UT2004 has 4 engine flames you are saying, I don't remember that but ok

[HellDragon-HK]

Raptor weapon fire un-fixable, I've tried WeaponOffset, WeaponFireOffset, WeaponFireLocation and all of them compile but are ignored in-game, specifically it's the Z value that is being ignored which is what is needed

About the only thing that might be possible is to move the Raptor's translation itself to align it but I doubt that would work either

[HellDragon-HK]

Added link for UT3 Drawscale ukx edit.....this one might have issues as the Raptor is now almost the size of a Goliath which is what it's supposed to be but as we all know the stock Raptor is tiny so I think we can expect some kind of spawn issues or something

[GreatEmerald]

The weapon fire location is controlled in code, see: https://github.com/GreatEmerald/UT3Vehicles/blob/master/Classes/UT3RaptorWeapon.uc#L205

[HellDragon-HK]

Ah you mean this? CurrentFireOffset = (WeaponFireOffset vect(1,0,0)) + (DualFireHack vect(0,1,0)); Is the (1 the X the next 0 the Y and the last 0) the Z?

EDIT - Yeah that did the trick thanks, it's much better now I think

[HellDragon-HK]

Movement vid added to bottom of task list