Differences in vehicle materials from UT3

[HellDragon-HK]

Issues & opinions with textures Comparing PS3, PC, and PC without bloom has led to very different views in-game so there are 3 ways to go with this.

With PS3 the colors are closer to what I'd expect to see of Red & Blue with Red having a dark red or hot pink look while blue is dark blue, PC on the other hand has a peach color for Red usually although it varies from map to map based on lighting with a white purple blue for Blue (I actually like this for blue), and PC without bloom we can see the true colors of Red being more of a red orange (yellow in SPMA's case) and Blue being a sky blue or dark navy blue kind of....for the most part Blue is about the same on all 3 but Red is all over the place, it appears that what we see in Cold Harbor is close to the real thing.

All I can do here is list my opinions on each outcome compared with the current texture pack and let everyone else choose what would be best to go with although in my opinion I lean toward PS3 or PC without bloom as the peach just doesn't make sense to me.

• [X] Manta Textures Complete

  • [X] Full 64 bit compatibility tested
  • Front dot lights
    • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Need to be slightly more red and is missing a subtle corona like glow effect that encompasses all of the dots at once PC Option - Same as PS3 except more of a white orange color and needs the corona like glow PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be more toward an orange red with subtle corona like glow (shows up in editor but not in-game when bloom is off)
    • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Need to be slightly darker blue and is missing a corona like glow effect that encompasses all of the dots at once PC Option - Needs to be more toward a white ice blue with a noticeable corona like glow effect PC No Bloom Option - Same as PC Option except even closer to white (don't think I recommend this one)
  • Interior Controls
    • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Currently it's very bright, in UT3 it's a very dull brownish dark red that doesn't glow PC Option - Needs to be a non-glowing very dark red PC No Bloom Option - Slightly less dark than PC Option (my recommendation option)
    • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Currently it's bright as with Red it's a dull dark blue that doesn't glow PC Option - Non-glowing dark blue purple maybe that is close but different to the Manta itself PC No Bloom Option - Same as PC Option to me but look at the screens and draw your own conclusion please
  • Middle bar
    • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Color needs more pink red and is still missing a subtle corona like glow effect PC Option - Needs to be a little more white peach maybe with a more noticeable corona like glow PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be a little darker and slightly red more toward orange with a corona like glow
    • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Color is good, it's just missing a large corona like glow effect now PC Option - Needs more white and purple with a large corona like glow effect PC No Bloom Option - Need to be more white with a corona like glow effect
  • Tail Lights
    • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - I'm inclined to say the color here is correct and is now only missing that subtle corona glow effect PC Option - Needs slightly more white with a noticeable corona like glow PC No Bloom Option - Needs more red to be closer to in-between orange and pink with corona like glow
    • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Color is good again, just missing a large glow now PC Option - Needs to be more white and purple with noticeable corona like glow PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be more toward white ice blue with corona like glow

• [X] Scorpion Textures Complete

  • [X] Full 64 bit compatibility
  • Blades
    • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs very slightly more red and 4 subtle corona glow effects are still missing and too much of the blades are colored in, it needs to be only the front outer edges PC Option - Just needs the 4 corona glows, only have the edges colored and it's done PC No Bloom Option - Same as PC except very slightly more orange
    • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Very slightly could use a darker blue and is missing the 4 glow effect spots PC Option - Needs to be less teal and more white and purple with the missing glow effects PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be less teal and more blue with glow effect
  • Headlights
    • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Not quite red enough yet and don't have that intense look PC Option - No change needed PC No Bloom Option - Needs more orange and a more intense glow effect
    • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Could use a darker blue but it's close, glow isn't intense enough yet PC Option - Needs to be more white and purple with a slightly more intense glow PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be a little less teal and more sky blue and possibly slightly more intense on the glow
  • Side Lights
    • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Almost perfect, could use a little more red, if you don't want to it's fine the way it is, you even got the subtle glow here so great work PC Option - Honestly it looks better now than PC even a better glow PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be a little more toward orange
    • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - In UT3 it looks like they are only slightly brighter blue than the Scorpion itself, other than that perfect. PC Option - Needs to be more white and purple PC No Bloom Option - This is a dark navy blue kind of
  • Lower Tail Light
    • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Could use some more red PC Option - Currently better than this PC No Bloom Option - Needs more orange, kind of like DM Inferno that's what it remind me of
    • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Needs to be a darker blue PC Option - Needs to be more of a white purple PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be more toward sky or navy blue
  • Tail Light
    • [X] Neither light should be lit up unless braking, white light is lit up while in reverse and red light is lit when actually braking

• [X] Hellbender Textures Complete

  • [X] Full 64 bit compatibility tested
  • Headlights
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Headlights have lost the grill pattern, missing large glow, and need to be darker blue PC Option - Needs to be more toward white blue so probably only really needs white and a more noticeable grill pattern PC No Bloom Option - Too bright, needs to be a lot darker more toward a navy blue kind of
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Need to be slightly darker and are missing that glow effect PC Option - Peach is close but it looks like it needs more of a pink added with the pattern being more noticeable PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be a lot darker more toward orange with the grill pattern being more noticeable
  • Driver Turret - I didn't even notice driver turret had a light, good job Alex
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Good but missing it's glow still PC Option - Good but needs more white and a glow PC No Bloom Option - Almost, could use a slightly more white and a noticeable glow although that may have to be done as a corona or something to get the effect
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Good, maybe could use slightly more red and a subtle glow PC Option - The driver turret is good just needing a subtle glow effect now PC No Bloom Option - Very much needs to be darker toward orange and a small but intimidating corona glow
  • Back Turret
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Good already PC Option - Needs to be all peach PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be dark red orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - No red at all on PS3 that I can see and the blue in UT3 is much more dull sky blue kind of PC Option - Needs to be more white and purple with the red not glowing PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be a dull sky blue
  • Tail Lights
  • [X] Red tail lights only light up on braking, and white is only when in reverse, they shouldn't glow at all times though

• [X] Stealthbender Textures Complete - details pending team colors being fixed

  • [X] Full 64 bit compatibility tested

• [X] Raptor Textures Complete (Red Option - PS3 seems like Blue Option - PC seems like)

  • [X] Full 64 bit compatibility tested
  • Front Lights
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Could slightly use more red and bottom light in UT3 doesn't appear to glow or is more dull than top light PC Option - Very slightly more red and it's done PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be more toward orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Needs to be almost the same as the blue metal above it and bottom light needs slightly less glow, just like with Red the top light has more glow than the bottom one but it's less true with blue team PC Option - Needs to be more white ice blue PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be just plain slightly darker than Raptor itself blue with a glow
  • Wings
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Only needs to be slightly more red PC Option - Needs to be slightly more red or pink or both PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Looks good, could use a slightly darker blue PC Option - Needs to be more white and maybe slightly purple PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be slightly darker and it's good
  • Engines
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - What happened here!? There is a lot wrong here, first off the whole thing shouldn't be glowing peach red, only the 4 bar sections in the back should be, and those 4 bars are bright and glowing in the middle only (all 4 glow vertically) while outwards is either not glowing or just dull colored, and everything else is plain metal PC Option - Less needs to be colored in and more red and pink are needed PC No Bloom Option - Less colored in and inferno orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - What again, same issue as with Red only for Blue it looks like it doesn't have as much variation of shades on the bars PC Option - Needs to be more toward purple with slight white and less colored in PC No Bloom Option - Less colored in and dark blue

• [X] Cicada Textures Complete

  • [X] Full 64 bit compatibility tested
  • Front Light
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - All it needs is a subtle glow effect now PC Option - Needs a noticeable white corona glow PC No Bloom Option - It's Orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Needs to be slightly darker blue is all PC Option - Needs to be lighter in color like a white ice purple blue with more glow PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be dark sky blue
  • Rotor & Turret Lights
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - I think the color is good and it needs a red glow added still PC Option - Good, all it needs is a noticeable slight white corona glow PC No Bloom Option - Orange again and very noticeable corona glow like something from Doom 3
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - I think the color is good again and needs a dark blue glow added PC Option - Needs to be lighter in color like a white ice purple blue with more glow PC No Bloom Option - Just needs the corona glow

• [X] Hellfire SPMA Texture Complete

  • [X] Full 64 bit compatibility tested
  • Headlights
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - This one really is peach in UT3, looks like it could use more pink and a glow effect which just like the Raptor the top has glow while the bottom one either barely does or not at all PC Option - Only missing a very noticeable corona like glow PC No Bloom Option - It's actually somewhere between yellow and orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Need to be slightly darker blue and a little more glow, again top needs to glow more than bottom PC Option - Needs to be more white with some purple probably and the corona glow PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be more of a sky blue
  • Top Lights
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs to be slightly more red or pink PC Option - Missing a subtle corona glow PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be slightly more red or orange with corona glow
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Needs to be dark blue, the wire or hose part is fairly decent as is but should probably also be darkened PC Option - Needs to be more toward white and purple with a noticeable corona glow PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be a dull purple blue maybe

• [X] Paladin Textures Complete

  • [X] Full 64 bit compatibility tested
  • Front Lights
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Front large light needs more red and has a glow effect above and below that is still missing, the dot lights to the side of it are almost red enough but could use a little more PC Option - Slightly more pink and a noticeable glow and I think you'll have it PC No Bloom Option - Looks to be yellow orange with red orange dot lights
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - As with Red Team the front light has a glow effect still missing, the dot lights are near perfect however PC Option - Looks like you just need some white and a corona like glow on it and the small dots need a little white as well maybe, PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be slightly more sky blue but it's fairly close already -Turret
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Really bright in UT2004, needs to be darker or less bright and a little more middle shape visible PC Option - Bottom part needs to glow and maybe darken the top one as well as have a larger shape in the middle of it, namely the shape in the middle is really all that needs to be changed I think PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be orange and more of the middle shape visible
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Almost perfect just needs to be more of a dark blue and a more visible middle shape although color probably is good the way it is PC Option - Needs a little more white blue and a more visible middle shape PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be more of a sky blue
  • Extra Detail Tail Lights
  • [X] ~Make it look off and we'll add a brake light to go with it~

• [X] Goliath Textures Complete

  • [X] Full 64 bit compatibility tested
  • Headlights
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs slightly more red and that intense glow effect PC Option - Could use a bit of black at the sides maybe PC No Bloom Option - Need to be orange and some black
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Needs slightly darker blue and a more intense glow effect PC Option - Needs more of a white purple added in PC No Bloom Option - Needs a little black or really dark blue at the sides and maybe a little less thickness
  • Turret
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs more red and largest circle needs glow effect, small spot on the other side is good enough but could use slightly more red PC Option - Circle part needs that black shape more visible and a corona like glow, at the moment the glow loos kind of flat, not sure but the little spot on the other side looks like it's smaller in UT3, I don't mind it being more noticeable so your call PC No Bloom Option - Same as PC except orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Needs darker blue on both areas, more intense glow on large circle, and has kind of lost it's grill pattern on the large circle PC Option - Needs to be more of a white purple blue with a corona glow and a slightly more noticeable black shape PC No Bloom Option - Huh, make the shape on the large circle more noticeable and the small bar on the other side needs be more of a sky blue maybe

• [X] Leviathan Textures Complete

• [X] Full 64 bit compatibility tested

  • Headlights
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs to be more red and a clean circle shape if possible PC Option - Needs to be more toward pink with an intense corona glow and a clean circle shape PC No Bloom Option - Very slightly more red orange and a clean circle shape if possible
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Need to be slightly darker blue, circle shape looks fairly good here already PC Option - Needs to be more of a purple blue PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be dark sky blue is all
  • Main Cannon
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Add a little black and a little less glow PC Option - Same as PS3 PC No Bloom Option - Forgot to check this but we can guess it needs more of a red orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Needs to be slightly darker blue and has a little too much glow PC Option - Needs to be more of a purple blue with less glow PC No Bloom Option - Forgot again so guessing needs to be dark sky blue and less glow
  • Tail Lights
  • [X] Extra Details Since GreatEmerald kind of said some improvements welcome, it looks like the Levi's driver turret was meant to have a light similar to how the Hellbender's driver turret does, can we add this or does it need to be left blank as is?

• [X] Viper Textures Complete

• [X] Full 64 bit compatibility tested

  • Front Light
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs to be a dark red and maybe bit a dark pink (also remember I'm on PS3 so my TV colors may differ and you should take a look yourself in-game first) PC Option - No change needed maybe PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be more toward a red orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Needs to be darker blue PC Option - Needs to be more white and purple blue PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be darker navy or sky blue
  • Front Dot Lights
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs to be darker red and maybe a bit of dark pink, also looks like the pulse isn't quite right, this section in UT3 has more aggressive pulse that periodically has all 3 lights with a slight intense glow, if that is too much it's still fine the way it is. PC Option - Fairly close already, could use some more shades to help define it but good already PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be more a dark red orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Needs to be darker blue and a slight glow effect added, pulse like with Red doesn't seem quite aggressive enough yet, possibly might be slower in UT2004 PC Option - Needs a bit more white and purple blue perhaps PC No Bloom Option - No change needed
  • Side Lights
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs more red and pink as well as pulses like the front dot lights, a clear glow can be noticed with the single smallest dot in-between the front and side lights....maybe could be described as has a Morse code pattern for it's glow PC Option - Needs a little more white PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be dark red orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Looks good except that single small dot light which I think needs to be a dull dark blue and very seldom in UT3 it has this subtle greenish blue glow around it in it's pulse pattern PC Option - Same as PS3 PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be a little darker is all
  • Controls
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs to be darker red and more pink, looks like the pulse effect is almost exact here so use it as a reference to check the previous light pulse patterns PC Option - Very slightly darker maybe PC No Bloom Option - Needs to more toward a red orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Almost looks perfect, could use a slightly darker blue PC Option - Needs to be slightly white and more purple blue PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be a dark sky blue
  • Hose Lights
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs more pink and slightly darker red PC Option - Needs very slightly more pink maybe PC No Bloom - Needs to be light orange red maybe
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Almost perfect, could use very slightly darker blue PC Option - Needs to be a white purple blue PC No Bloom Option - Slightly darker blue maybe
  • Outer Wing Lights
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs more dark pink and in UT3 has noticeable glow in pulse pattern that is still missing PC Option - Needs a white glow is all PC No Bloom Option - Red orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Almost perfect, could use slightly darker blue PC Option - Needs to be a purple blue PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be a very slightly darker blue is all
  • Inner Wing Lights
  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs more dark pink and in UT3 looks like the pulse effect might be slightly faster PC Option - Needs to be a lot darker, this section doesn't really ever brighten up much PC No Bloom Option - Red orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 - Too much blue here, I'm seeing blue only on the top for the most part in UT3 while the rest of it is more of a almost black blue, also the top blue needs to be darker PC Option - Needs to be a lot darker and slightly purple blue maybe PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be a darker blue is all

• Back Lights (I can't see all of these very well in UT3 due to collision)

  • [X] Red Team PS3 Option - Looks good as far as I can see except needs to be closer to dark reddish pink PC Option - Needs a white glow is all PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be slightly more of a dark red orange
  • [X] Blue Team PS3 Option - Maybe could use slightly darker blue, other than that looks good that I can see PC Option - Needs to be white purple blue and less noticeable PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be slightly darker and less noticeable maybe

• [ ] Scavenger Textures Complete - details pending being added to mod

  • [ ] Full 64 bit compatibility tested

• [ ] Nightshade Textures Complete

  • [ ] Full 64 bit compatibility tested

  • Grill like areas

  • [ ] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs more dark pink PC Option - No change PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be red orange

  • [ ] Blue Team PS3 Option - Needs to be very slightly a darker blue PC Option - Needs to be white purple blue PC No Bloom Option - Maybe very slightly brighter blue

  • Spikes

  • [ ] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs more dark pink and missing a subtle glow (when I say glow I mean corona like so maybe not possible) PC Option - No change PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be dark red orange

    • [ ] Blue Team PS3 Option - Good, all it's missing now is that blue green Drakk like color pulse glow PC Option - Needs to be more of a white purple blue PC No Bloom Option - Slightly darker blue maybe is all

  • Circle Lights

  • [ ] Red Team PS3 Option - Hot pink in UT3 for me and more of an white peach in UT2004 right now PC Option - Needs to be darker is all PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be dark red orange

  • [ ] Blue Team PS3 Option - Needs to be darker blue, in UT3 the circle part most of the time is barely noticeable PC Option - Same as PS3 except with more purple blue PC No Bloom Option - Slightly darker is all

  • Turret Lights

  • [ ] Red Team PS3 Option - Needs a little more pink PC Option - Needs a slightly more white PC No Bloom Option - Needs to be dark red orange

  • [ ] Blue Team PS3 Option - No change PC Option - Need to be more white purple blue PC No Bloom Option - Needs slightly brighter blue

  • Side Plating team color is missing

  • [ ] Red Team - Where the spikes are above the round circle and the side of it toward the middle should be dark purple red plates but it's just black in UT2004 for me

  • [ ] Blue Team - Where the spikes are above the round circle and to the side of it toward the middle should be dark blue green plates but again it's currently just black, easier to see with no bloom

  • [X] Fury Textures Complete - details pending team colors being fixed

  • [X] Full 64 bit compatibility tested

  • [X] Missing some small pulsing lights on top of wings as well as under them

• [ ] Nemesis Textures Complete - details pending being added to mod

  • [ ] Full 64 bit compatibility tested

• [ ] Darkwalker Textures Complete - details pending being added to mod

  • [ ] Full 64 bit compatibility tested

• [ ] Energry Turret Textures Complete - details pending being added to mod

  • [ ] Full 64 bit compatibility tested

• [ ] Rocket Turret Textures Complete - details pending being added to mod

  • [ ] Full 64 bit compatibility tested

• [ ] Eradicator Textures Complete - details pending being added to mod

  • [ ] Full 64 bit compatibility tested

[Unre-Alex]

Whatever format works for you, since you will be the one to check out boxes.

After testing textures with HellDragon, here are the issues with 64bit:

Specular can not use a Combiner, TexEnvMap works fine.

SelfIllumination can not use a Combiner. TexPanner does work for Selfillumination if it's not using a Combiner (TexScaler for TexPanner works)

Other notes:

Diffuse does support multiple Combiners, but after applying 3rd Combiner the Specular stops working, and after applying 5th Combiner the Selfillumination stops working.

Any type of LODset for the lights works fine.

[GreatEmerald]

Thanks, it's useful to track this in a separate issue like this.

I can check off boxes as well. You should have a box before each "red team" and "blue team", and each "missing", i.e. the opposite of what you have right now.

Yes, that's about what I remember about it too. It's much more limiting than it could be, but it's better than having just the diffuse on 64-bit.

[HellDragon-HK]

Is that formatting any better GreatEmerald?

[GreatEmerald]

Yeap, that looks fine.

@Unre-Alex If you can make all textures compatible with 64-bit (and potentially solve the other issues in the OP), feel free to send a pull request with your texture package here.

[HellDragon-HK]

@Unre-Alex I'd like to apologize if I angered you about needing to tweak hard work (I know how testy some folks get about that thing and understand), I installed my PC UT3 and your light details are fairly accurate after all and my TV apparently is way off color, I'm putting together a screenshot pack to compare 32, 64, & UT3 right now, all I need to do is sort the UT3 screens and upload it Basically I'm wrong and don't mind admitting it that's what I'm apologizing for

[Unre-Alex]

@GreatEmerald Yes, I will take care of all the issues related to the textures.

@HellDragon-HK No worries. So, do you want me to remove the lights from Paladin's back?

[HellDragon-HK]

I think that should be Emerald's call, it's inconsistent but it doesn't look bad really uh except for always glowing tail lights that is....yeah your say GreatEmerald

[HellDragon-HK]

Ok got the comparison screenshots put together finally so here you go, let me know if you need a different angle or a different map environment and I'll see what I can do.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nREoeiM1fNb_vhwQ1UnAcKB0rl4HSFbK

[Unre-Alex]

Thanks, I won't have to go back and forth with ut3 to check how they look. I didn't notice before that the lights per map have either a different color (like orange in ColdHarbor) or are darker/dull (like in Downtown), and they differ depending on what light environment they currently are on (which doesn't work in ut2k4) or even your screen's angle. The red lights look pretty the same in Islander as mine in UT2k4, the blue lights are brighter inside and darker outside tho.

There's just no one way of how they look, so I will do what I think look best considering 64bit limits. Also, I will remove all the break lights, since they use coronas.

[HellDragon-HK]

If you need I can try to get multiple maps so you can try to find the common color....would turning off dynamic lighting for getting the screens help any you think?

[Unre-Alex]

I will focus on the bright maps like Suspense and Islander. In UT2k4 bright lights are better seen at distance. It's up to you what you will do.

[HellDragon-HK]

That's the opposite of what I was thinking, I thought dark maps would be easier because it wouldn't have the sunlight interference.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1lZshm0D3KcQx8vhuiAp1ScKC3MqXcCrJ Updated with No Bloom screens

[Unre-Alex]

@100GPing100 Why did you set textures' NomalLod to 1 or 2 instead of the default 0? What does this do? I couldn't find anything about it on the unrealed wiki.

[zeluisping]

@Unre-Alex With a NormalLOD of 1 or 2, at normal detail settings the miplevels drop to improve performance. This is important for lower end systems since these textures are at a high resolution.

[zeluisping]

@Unre-Alex @HellDragon-HK If the difference in colours between maps you guys are talking about is relative to UT3, this is because each map has a different post processing effect applied to the whole level (talking about stock maps here); it's this difference in post processing effects that is causing the difference in colours from map to map.

[GreatEmerald]

Yes, and the solution is to disable postprocessing (=bloom and depth of field). That said, the result tends to be highly desaturated, and I don't think that fits that well in UT2004...

And no, no need to remove lights from Paladin. My view is that if something is better in UT2004, it should be kept that way, and that if there are bugs in UT3 they should not be ported.

[HellDragon-HK]

Ok so glowing lights on the Paladin's rear side then....what about not having them glow and adding brakelights in the code for that area? UT2004 stock Paladin doesn't have brakelights either that I can tell so it's not a bug but an addition....if that's going to be the case the Levi turret has a gray circle on it's main turret that looks like it was meant to have a light like the Hellbender can we add a light to it as the Levi doesn't have much

[GreatEmerald]

A brakelight makes more sense, yes. But anyway, that's off-topic to the texture discussion.

[HellDragon-HK]

Don't take this as a snarky comment but how is it off-topic when we are talking about needing textures added to add a brake light where there aren't any textures or lights originally?

If you're allowing creative freedom improvements over original UT3 then what about the making a light texture detail for the Levi driver turret like the Hellbender driver turret has, in UT3 the Levi doesn't have anything except a blank gray circle. If yes then it's up to Alex if he wants to of course and it's just a detail I'd like to see.

[GreatEmerald]

Because we're not talking about textures, but rather coronas. Those don't need textures, they already got them.

Would be interesting to see how that looks like.

[HellDragon-HK]

None of the Paladins have a texture though :S, Alex added it where it didn't exist so that's a texture unless the texture is also in the code you mean....kind of confused on that now

Ok so add the Levi extra light detail to the list as a If you want to then?

[GreatEmerald]

Lights ought to be implemented as UT2004 Headlight/Brakelight actors, not via changing vehicle textures. That's the whole point.

[HellDragon-HK]

So then you want the texture removed and have a corona without the texture under it so it's just there? Really confused now GreatEmerald maybe I better just let Alex take over and continue this convo yeah?

[GreatEmerald]

The texture doesn't matter because the corona is right on top of it anyway.

[HellDragon-HK]

The detail matters when the vehicle is sitting empty and it has no coronas active though right, otherwise it has no indication of even being there?

[GreatEmerald]

I suppose. In that sense the lights should be off.

[HellDragon-HK]

You mean removed or a texture that looks like they are off? EDIT-To avoid a cluttering comment.....Alright then changed the Paladin checklist to include what you said below.

[GreatEmerald]

The latter.

[Unre-Alex]

The Paladin's brake light is on its light texture. I will remove it, we don't wanna deal with people commenting on why it's there.

It does look like there was supposed to be a light on the Leviathan's driver turret, they either forgot to add it to the light texture or decided it's not needed for some reason. I could cut out the light from Hellbender's driver turret and paste it there.

[HellDragon-HK]

Didn't GreatEmerald just say 'let's give the Paladin new brake lights & textures to improve it'?

Yeah that sounds good on the turret and one of the reasons they may have left the light off was to help PS3 performance as there are quite a few minor details like that missing on PS3 and maybe they thought the Levi is so rare who would notice (probably also what happened to the Scorps hatch animation because I don't think it even happens on PS3) although it could be also just have been forgotten like you said.

[HellDragon-HK]

Would custom headlight projectors be out of the question for ALL UT3 vehicles? They feel so much more alive with the projectors and it's something UT2004 does better over UT3 in my opinion. Stock projectors are good but well Scorpion is round and UT3 Scorpion is square.

With that said can all vehicles have projectors maybe excluding the Raptor and Cicada or making their front light texture area be the headlight?

[GreatEmerald]

Yes, I'm all for improved and consistent projectors, that's something UT2004 does better than UT3. Mind you, that should also be its own thread, this is about improved textures.

[HellDragon-HK]

Projectors are a texture though aren't they? :S

[GreatEmerald]

Projectors are actors that project a texture onto another texture. They are not textures themselves. The dicussion would be valid here if you wanted to introduce a new square texture for the projector (but I don't think you do, because you can reuse the Hellbender projector).

[HellDragon-HK]

I do mean texture, the Hellbender has 4 squares and also not oriented right for what we need, there isn't a single round circle texture to work for the Manta either....I don't know much about how it works I only know what I can see from testing in-game

[GreatEmerald]

OK then. Projectors textures are usually black-and-white, so making them shouldn't be hard.

[HellDragon-HK]

Alex and I were just discussing that in an e-mail before you came online, he is waiting for you to help with making team colored projectors I believe

[Unre-Alex]

Sure, if it's possible to add team colored projectors then I could try to make them by using headlights from UT3 textures. But this is the last thing I would like to do, because I don't care much about projectors.

[HellDragon-HK]

I know you don't want corona related things here but I don't know where else to put it so... It looks like Coronas are already supposed to be team colored but it doesn't work? class ONSHeadlightCorona extends Light native;

simulated function ChangeTeamTint(byte T) { if(T == 0) { LightHue = 255; LightSaturation=240; } else { LightHue = 128; LightSaturation=175; } }

If that was meant to work and doesn't would using a grey light with team textures work? Corona, Corona_0, Corona_1 maybe, it would also have a normal non team color in VDM or other non-team vehicle matches which would be nice.

Found in ONSVehicle Class

        HeadlightCorona[i] = spawn( class'ONSHeadlightCorona', self,, Location + (HeadlightCoronaOffset[i] >> Rotation) );
        HeadlightCorona[i].SetBase(self);
        HeadlightCorona[i].SetRelativeRotation(rot(0,0,0));
        HeadlightCorona[i].Skins[0] = HeadlightCoronaMaterial;
        HeadlightCorona[i].ChangeTeamTint(Team);
        HeadlightCorona[i].MaxCoronaSize = HeadlightCoronaMaxSize * Level.HeadlightScaling;

    if(HeadlightProjectorMaterial != None && Level.DetailMode == DM_SuperHigh)
    {
        HeadlightProjector = spawn( class'ONSHeadlightProjector', self,, Location + (HeadlightProjectorOffset >> Rotation) );
        HeadlightProjector.SetBase(self);
        HeadlightProjector.SetRelativeRotation( HeadlightProjectorRotation );
        HeadlightProjector.ProjTexture = HeadlightProjectorMaterial;
        HeadlightProjector.SetDrawScale(HeadlightProjectorScale);
        HeadlightProjector.CullDistance = ShadowCullDistance;
    }
}

SetTeamNum(Team);
TeamChanged();

}

EDIT - The team coronas ARE working (I think), look at the light on the Manta which is white with no corona on both Red & Blue yet the lights are different for each team, so it does work it's just really subtle.

[Unre-Alex]

You're right, they do work it's just they're set to be subtle. The LightHue and LightSaturation values match in-game. If we could add this

simulated function ChangeTeamTint(byte T) { if(T == 0) { LightHue = 0; LightSaturation=0; } else { LightHue = 175; LightSaturation=0; } }

that would make a strong red and blue coronas.

[GreatEmerald]

Hm, yes, that's how it should work, but... If it simply does a HeadlightCorona[i] = spawn( class'ONSHeadlightCorona'..., then we can't directly influence its code. Several approaches could be used in this case:

• Replace this bit of code with one that spawns our custom UT3HeadlightCorona with the correct values;
• Use CheckReplacement() in a mutator to replace all ONSHeadlightCoronas with UT3HeadlightCoronas;
• Add new code to each vehicle to set the hue and saturation manually after each team switch (TeamChanged).

One big difference between these approaches would be network compatibility. The default headlight has RemoteRole=ROLE_None, which means it is completely client-side. I'm not sure if destroying it would be replicated or not... If not, you'd get two headlights on top of one another when using approach 2. Approach 3 would work as long as the code is run by the clients as well (it should be). Approach 1 would always work, but it requires copy-pasting a lot of code to each vehicle.

I'd probably go for option 3, and if it doesn't work, for option 1.

But yes, anyway, this is off-topic, open a new pull request or issue to discuss coronas.

[HellDragon-HK]

@GreatEmerald I already attempted something like that with the Manta I think, I posted it on the Manta issue because I was working with the Manta...guess it should have been here (wasn't thinking sorry...or it should be a new issue like you want)

[GreatEmerald]

Here's a more descriptive name for this issue to keep comments on topic. This should only concern @Unre-Alex's material replacements and nothing else (no coronas!).

[HellDragon-HK]

I think the Manta's headlight area texture needs to be changed to work better with the new team coronas, the white headlight with bright red or blue doesn't really make sense to me, anyone else agree?